Rarog
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Post by Rarog on Mar 6, 2004 9:21:29 GMT -5
>>>Give geneticists a little credit for making sure to exclude ethnic minorities when selecting their sample populations. Usually they look for subjects who are of native stock dating back to at least their grand- or great grandparents.
Genetists can be given credit, but not people with agenda.
For example, that Helgason study was used to prove that Russians have 5-6% of Mongoloid mtDNA, while it was clearly that the sample was collected in "European Russia" and as I discovered later it indeed included Chuvash, Mari and Mordva people.
Btw, genetical ditance between Russians and Poles and Czechs is 0.9, and between Russians and those Finnic ethnicities - 50-60.
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Post by galvez on Mar 6, 2004 11:41:57 GMT -5
You're starting to sound like the paranoid Russian Nordniks. "Paranoid" is not how I'd describe them. They are pathetic, because they seem to be begging for acceptance from West Europeans who snub their noses at them. There is no way to convince people who have looked down on you for centuries to change their minds simply because you share a similar, although distinct, phenotype. The so-called phenotype movements are really about nationalism and sexual fetishism. A swarthy German will always be seen as superior to a depigmented Pole among Nordicists, because nationalism colors the ideology. A female who is perceived to be attractive and is clearly not "Nordish" (in the vague sense of the term) can be relabeled as "Nordish" to satisfy the fetishes of these ideologues. The Soviet system erased distinctions between ethnic groups and encouraged assimilation and intermarriage. This undoubtedly has had an impact to the present day in these regions. I agree that Rarog is trolling by claiming that the Spaniards have more Mongoloid DNA than Russians (ROFLMAO!). But it doesn't help the situation to assert that a group is mongrelized simply because one or two individuals not representative of their ethnic group assert that your group or a related one is mixed.
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Post by svarog on Mar 6, 2004 12:26:08 GMT -5
Galvez, you are in your amplua as usual. Where the heck did you see Russians begging for acceptance from Western Europeans?
I thought this forum was about race, not nationalism and not what Germans think about Russians?
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Post by galvez on Mar 6, 2004 12:37:13 GMT -5
Galvez, you are in your amplua as usual. Where the heck did you see Russians begging for acceptance from Western Europeans? I thought this forum was about race, not nationalism and not what Germans think about Russians? I am trying to be fair on this thread. Charges that Slavs are significantly East Asian are ridiculous, as is the obsession some Slavs have with National Socialism or these phenotype movements popular in online race forums. I have nothing against Slavs -- in fact they have the capacity to annihilate the West Europeans at this point in history should they so choose. Regardless this is a sensitive issue and some will feel slighted.
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Post by svarog on Mar 6, 2004 12:46:06 GMT -5
I am trying to be fair on this thread. Charges that Slavs are significantly East Asian are ridiculous, as is the obsession some Slavs have with National Socialism or these phenotype movements popular in online race forums. I have nothing against Slavs -- in fact they have the capacity to annihilate the West Europeans at this point in history should they so choose. Regardless this is a sensitive issue and some will feel slighted. I understand that, I just do not like the fact that you are always say that we (Russians you know on line - me, Rarog, Prodigal) are trying to prove something to "Western Europeans". This forum is about race, Rarog was having an argument with his on-line (and very rude) opponent, now in which way did he show that he wants to be accepted by Germans? Can you quote him on that? Personally I don't give a rats ass what Germans and especially Germans on-line think about Russians, we are here for informing people.
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Rarog
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Post by Rarog on Mar 6, 2004 12:49:50 GMT -5
svarog, it seems the point is that it's galvez who wants to be accepted, so he's simply projecting... btw, galvez, very few, VERY few Russians stick to NS.
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Post by galvez on Mar 6, 2004 12:50:46 GMT -5
Personally I don't give a rats ass what Germans and especially Germans on-line think about Russians, we are here for informing people. I agree. Americans tend to be very ignorant about Europeans in general. Lots of people need to be informed.
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Post by svarog on Mar 6, 2004 12:59:18 GMT -5
I agree. Americans tend to be very ignorant about Europeans in general. Lots of people need to be informed. Not only Americans, it seems ;D
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Post by galvez on Mar 6, 2004 13:02:15 GMT -5
Obviously I stepped into a feud that has been going on for some time. I am not going to repeat myself, but I will stick to what I said on this thread about the phenotype movements in relation to Eastern Europeans.
This thread is like a minefield. It doesn't help for old feuds from other forums to be perpetuated here. This cycle of "proving" who is more European should end.
It's time for those involved in it to grow up.
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Post by tphabs on Mar 6, 2004 13:53:33 GMT -5
From autosomal testing, most Southern Europeans, unsurprisingly, cluster tightly with one another. The exception are Sicilians, who possess strong Middle Eastern and North African genetic ties. www.blackwell-synergy.com/servlet/useragent;jsessionid=b17kG5nrdE15?func=login "The maximum likelihood tree obtained by adding three samples from North-Africa (Algeria and Egypt) and the Middle East (Turkey) provides further information: 54% of times Castellammare, Butera and Sciacca are associated with the Middle East sample, while the remaining samples (Troina, Caccamo, Piazza Armerina and Ragusa) are associated with the two samples from North-Africa."
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Post by galvez on Mar 6, 2004 14:13:27 GMT -5
From autosomal testing, most Southern Europeans, unsurprisingly, cluster tightly with one another. The exception are Sicilians, who possess strong Middle Eastern and North African genetic ties. www.blackwell-synergy.com/servlet/useragent;jsessionid=b17kG5nrdE15?func=login "The maximum likelihood tree obtained by adding three samples from North-Africa (Algeria and Egypt) and the Middle East (Turkey) provides further information: 54% of times Castellammare, Butera and Sciacca are associated with the Middle East sample, while the remaining samples (Troina, Caccamo, Piazza Armerina and Ragusa) are associated with the two samples from North-Africa." Here we go again with another round. There are different populations in Northern Africa. North Africa has been a place where ethnic groups have come and gone over the course of history. The modern nations are largely artificial. Some historians claim Spaniards descend largely from Iberians who entered the Iberian peninsula c. 3000 B.C. from North Africa. If this is true then clearly Spaniards and North Africans will be related. I don't see what these supposed Neolithic/Paleolithic links to North Africa or the Middle East prove. The populations in those areas then were different. Besides, despite all of the hatred toward Sicilians, they are in the mainstream part of America now. These debates are throwbacks to the early 20th-century, albeit with a slightly more modern touch. Additionally, they are much less popular or accepted than they used to be.
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Post by tphabs on Mar 6, 2004 14:24:28 GMT -5
The link is with *today's* North African and *today's Middle-Eastern populations.
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Post by galvez on Mar 6, 2004 14:28:41 GMT -5
All views are allowed on this thread, but to prevent the feud that has entered this forum from escalating posts that are clearly made in an effort to troll will be removed.
Those who believe Sicilians are mulattoes (or who are fixated with the Neolithic/Schmolithic aspect of them) and those who believe that East Europeans are Asiatic are free to post their views.
They look like trolls, and they are free to appear as trolls if that is what they want. But these fights will not be allowed to poison the atmosphere of this forum.
We already know that some people don't like a certain pigmentation or certain facial characteristics or bodily type. That's fine. But let's behave in a mature manner even if we disagree with others.
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Post by galvez on Mar 6, 2004 14:32:06 GMT -5
The link is with *today's* North African and *today's Middle-Eastern populations. Well, yes, they remain largely Caucasoid. The link is not with the non-Caucasoid elements.
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Post by Dienekes on Mar 6, 2004 19:00:32 GMT -5
Your link doesn't work. Give a proper citation.
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