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Post by Rarog on Mar 3, 2004 9:52:00 GMT -5
Tri racial? Is that a Freudian slip? No, it's the accurate anthropological term for your race.
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Post by galvez on Mar 3, 2004 17:53:02 GMT -5
Just to make things clear: Spain and Portugal have about 2.5% of "A" and "C" and "D". Pity West-Goths and Alans carried no "Near East" "M". By the way, I wonder what's the frequency of "M" in the Near East? If it's something like 3% it means that Italians are on 70% Near Eastern And Italy, collectively, has an IQ of 102. I am surprised that negative vibes are once again (seemingly) directed toward Northern Italians, who were supposed to be so "Central" European or (withholds laughter) "Germanic."* As for these single marker studies -- they don't say as much as autosomal studies. To those fixated on the purity/impurity of European groups: get tested! We have already noted the prevalence of mixed-race types in various racialist groups/causes, only to be outed at the most inconvenient of times. *A Lombard at Skadi was told not to mix with Swedes.
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Post by Praetor on Mar 3, 2004 18:06:03 GMT -5
Oh, c'mon :-) . There is no way for Meds to have only 2-5% of Negroid mtDNA, as majority looks significantly Negroid... It's clear that Med genetists have an agenda. Majority that looks significantly negroid? Who are the Meds?Greeks perhaps?Go and find the 2% first among us and then search for the +5%.Graeme is pretty hostile in this thread but now you start to troll as well.
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Post by galvez on Mar 3, 2004 18:21:57 GMT -5
I agree that Graeme was unnecessarily aggressive on this thread.
Re: Negroid admixture in Spain.
I got tested and not a drop of Negroid blood was found in me. My ancestors lived under the Moorish occupation for hundreds of years in Andalusia.
It's far easier to throw a claim into a forum than to prove it. If Kemp is correct I should have had a sh*tload of Negroid detected by the autosomal test. He once claimed that Spain absorbed at least a million pure-blooded Negroes. ROFL. Mysteriously this "claim" was deleted from his book.
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Post by Praetor on Mar 3, 2004 18:42:49 GMT -5
In this war Kemp's agenda/mission is to distract the racial attention from Afrikaners' suspicious gene pool and bring it to med. sea in order to use South Euros as "scapegoats". He was so emotionally driven that he actually invented all sorts of events to make his book more "lively".The result is pure fiction,totally unscientific.It should be put next to Mika Waltari's works albeit Waltari's novels are far more historically valid.
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Post by Melnorme on Mar 3, 2004 18:46:07 GMT -5
He was so emotionally driven that he actually invented all sorts of events to make his book more "lively".The result is pure fiction,totally unscientific.It should be put next to Mika Waltari's works albeit Waltari's novels are far more historically valid. I believe Arthur Kemp has described his own book as being 'action-packed'.
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Post by Graeme on Mar 4, 2004 8:23:01 GMT -5
What do you not understand about "I am not Italian or have Italian ancestry" You are just a racist, pure and very simple. I think Near Eastern is better than Far Eastern which you are. It is interesting that had Hitler succeeded this discussion would be moot as you would not exist. Hitler considered Slavs to be inferior sub humans fit only to be farm labourers, in Brave New World terms, Epsilons. I never thought I would ever concur with Hitler, but in your case, yes.
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Post by Racial Reality on Mar 4, 2004 8:25:05 GMT -5
"M" is considered Mongoloid by genetists. It's from the Middle East/South Asia and it predates Mongoloids by many thousands of years. They're not free of Mongoloid autosomal DNA, which would seem to confirm the Mongoloid origin of certain infamous Y-chromosome markers. Yes, Europe was populated from the Near East by Paleo- and Neolithic migrations. What's your point?
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Post by Racial Reality on Mar 4, 2004 8:34:41 GMT -5
I agree that Graeme was unnecessarily aggressive on this thread. Maybe, but Rarog's a notorious troll. Here's a typical example of his ''debating'' style from the not-too-distant past: www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/thread?forumid=233031&messageid=1053683004You can see what we're dealing with. It's only a matter of time before he reverts to his old ways. I'd tend to agree with Praetor that he's already started.
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Post by Graeme on Mar 4, 2004 9:20:19 GMT -5
I wish to explain. Brat = Brother. Also I don't have anything against mongoloids or any other racial group. My main issue is with people with racist agendas; people who want to use "facts" which have not been contested or proven time and time again. Experiments can be manipulated to produce the desired effect. As for Russian scientists, I do not see them as reliable, honest or uninfluenced by the communist system of old or today, money. That is my opinion and I am entitled to it. I would prefer other researchers: American, British, French, Spanish, German, Swiss, Swedish so on.
My debating style is assertive though I think hostile is very harsh on me considering that I am confronting a racist, head on with those hoary old BS notions held by those supposed pure whites in the North. I concur with racialreality's view about Rarog though I would not use the term used by him. Rarog sounds like one of those Varangian names. I know many Russians believe that they were colonised from Scandinavia, but the presence of a few Varangian Swedes does not prove the Nordic genetic connection. Also there is a denial of the fact that Russia, Poland and Germany have no geographic barriers with East Asia. Southern Europe is accessed more easily from the Middle East, a reservoir of caucasoids. It is logical to believe that the Northerners especially the Russians are genetically more mongoloid of the North East variety. If Iranians and Indians have mongoloid ancestry why not the Russians given their location and their historic push into Asia. What does Italy have to do with East Asia? Marco Polo! And unlike many of you, I have travelled to Russia, and as I said " I have got eyes".
Marina or Adelaide or whatever, I don't care what you may be able to think or how white you look for a mixed race person. Skadi is racist and I have no interest in reading their racist rubbish on any members of the human race including Australoids.
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Post by Rarog on Mar 4, 2004 9:31:17 GMT -5
>>>It's from the Middle East/South Asia and it predates Mongoloids by many thousands of years.
Most of mtDNA markers are assigned to different racial groups. Can you show me the source which assigns "M" to Caucasoids?
>>>They're not free of Mongoloid autosomal DNA, which would seem to confirm the Mongoloid origin of certain infamous Y-chromosome markers.
I'm interested in the source dealing with MONGOLOID autosomal DNA in Russians. Can you be of any help with it? :-)
>>>Yes, Europe was populated from the Near East by Paleo- and Neolithic migrations. What's your point?
No point, actually. I just would like to know frequency of "M" in the Near Eastern populations.
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Post by Rarog on Mar 4, 2004 9:32:50 GMT -5
>>>You can see what we're dealing with. It's only a matter of time before he reverts to his old ways. I'd tend to agree with Praetor that he's already started.
It's indeed only the matter of time. I've got none.
So if you won't post sources - discussion is ended.
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Post by Rarog on Mar 4, 2004 9:44:02 GMT -5
>>>I wish to explain. Brat = Brother. Also I don't have anything against mongoloids or any other racial group. My main issue is with people with racist agendas; people who want to use "facts" which have not been contested or proven time and time again.
I don't stick to racist agenda.
>>> Experiments can be manipulated to produce the desired effect. As for Russian scientists, I do not see them as reliable, honest or uninfluenced by the communist system of old or today, money. That is my opinion and I am entitled to it. I would prefer other researchers: American, British, French, Spanish, German, Swiss, Swedish so on.
Ok, I'll show some tolerance and refrain from any comments. However if you say something against Russians one more time there will be *really* something. Got me?
>>> Rarog sounds like one of those Varangian names. I know many Russians believe that they were colonised from Scandinavia, but the presence of a few Varangian Swedes does not prove the Nordic genetic connection.
Russians are Corded/Iranian Nordic, after that Valdaic, and "East-Baltic", with a bit of Steppe types.. Scandinavians have nothing to do with it.
>>> Also there is a denial of the fact that Russia, Poland and Germany have no geographic barriers with East Asia.
Sorry, Brat, geographical barriers were of little difficulty for various nomadic tribes. How do you think Iberia and Italy fot their Mongoloid DNA?
>>>Southern Europe is accessed more easily from the Middle East, a reservoir of caucasoids. It is logical to believe that the Northerners especially the Russians are genetically more mongoloid of the North East variety. If Iranians and Indians have mongoloid ancestry why not the Russians given their location and their historic push into Asia.
Some Russians, for example living in Bashkiria, have more Mongoloid mtDNa than Meds - 6%. Some (Central Russia) have less or no Mongoloid mtDNA than Meds.
That was the effort to stick to the proclaimed civility at Dodona. I wonder thou why mods were so lenient...
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Post by geirr on Mar 4, 2004 9:50:13 GMT -5
I wish to explain. Brat = Brother. You're not kidding anyone ;D
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Post by Syydyo Ytoko on Mar 4, 2004 10:21:43 GMT -5
A single DNA analysis proves nothing. Two DNA analysis prove nothing. According to some DNA analysis some sub-saharan tribes are closer to Japanese than to their neighbours.
Race = the average image of thousands and thousands of morphological, biochemical, physiological characters.
People believe to what they see : * Russians are whiter than italians. * Italians look much caucasian than russians.
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