"Roman nose" vs. "Jewish nose"

[Platypus]

in short the 'Jewish' nose is a construct based possibly on a nasal shape that is present within the Ashkenazi group possibly as an endemic trait. Westerns in describing Jews have picked up and enhanced this element (think Alec Guinness rendition of Fagin with an exaggerated nose in 'Oliver Twist') Barbra Streisand possess this nose but I am sure her nose shape is yet not dominant within Jews. Italian Jews for example (Primo Levi etc) are often less 'Jewish looking' than some Christian Italians

The 'Roman nose' is another construct. from the evidence of sculptures and coins, its simply points out a difference from the straight 'Greek nose'.

Like not all Jews possess a 'Jewish nose' not all Romans had a 'Roman one' (Pompey the Great)

i made this with paintbrush

[syriano]

since you are talking abut noses, Iwant to ask
anyone know what race sometimes has that butt-looking nose tip?

[zathuras]

platypus said:

in short the 'Jewish' nose is a construct based possibly on a nasal shape that is present within the Ashkenazi group possibly as an endemic trait. Westerns in describing Jews have picked up and enhanced this element (think Alec Guinness rendition of Fagin with an exaggerated nose in 'Oliver Twist') Barbra Streisand possess this nose but I am sure her nose shape is yet not dominant within Jews. Italian Jews for example (Primo Levi etc) are often less 'Jewish looking' than some Christian Italians

The 'Roman nose' is another construct. from the evidence of sculptures and coins, its simply points out a difference from the straight 'Greek nose'.

Like not all Jews possess a 'Jewish nose' not all Romans had a 'Roman one' (Pompey the Great)

i made this with paintbrush

The Italian (specifically Roman) Jewish community is actually the origin of the ashkenazi community. I think the reason Italian Jews don't look as jewish is because they blend in more with meds, while as the ashkenazi jews are living amongst nords, alpine, and baltics so they stand out more.

[ratrace]

platypus said:

in short the 'Jewish' nose is a construct based possibly on a nasal shape that is present within the Ashkenazi group possibly as an endemic trait. Westerns in describing Jews have picked up and enhanced this element (think Alec Guinness rendition of Fagin with an exaggerated nose in 'Oliver Twist') Barbra Streisand possess this nose but I am sure her nose shape is yet not dominant within Jews. Italian Jews for example (Primo Levi etc) are often less 'Jewish looking' than some Christian Italians

The 'Roman nose' is another construct. from the evidence of sculptures and coins, its simply points out a difference from the straight 'Greek nose'.

Like not all Jews possess a 'Jewish nose' not all Romans had a 'Roman one' (Pompey the Great)

i made this with paintbrush

Irish nose

[ratrace]

Check out this Irish guys nose

[ndrthl]

Eagle like nose (Bertrand Russel's nose):

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Stereotypical 'semitic' ('hooked') nose (Bob Dylan's nose):

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[Agrippa]

Stereotypical 'semitic' ('hooked') nose (Bob Dylan's nose):

Bod Dylans might be more Orientalid derived than Armenoid, at least going after that picture. Insofar really Semitic but not necessarily as typical for Jews as "just (Central-Southern) Armenid one".

Not really that important but here are some pictures of people that resemble Jean Todt.[/img]

They looks "somewhat alike" but still quite different mostly - the typical nose, mouth, lips they dont have usually.

[psychosemitic]

i made that , better than a doodle i think, its fairly accurate, of course the nose names are just that, names u can be italian and have a greek nose be armenian and have roman nose and be greek an have a roman nose etc etc

Note my roman is a little diffrent from "aquiline" (which is closest to arabid) to me a roman nose is a large bridged massive nose with dorsal hump and no or minor tip convexity

[psychosemitic]

btw i dislike the name "jewish" nose as it has no merit in anthropology, a jew is not anymore likely than a nonjewish Armenian,Syrian,Kurd,turk or other middle easterner to have that nose

[Agrippa]

Very good work, it shows extremes, but still the most typical forms. Especially the Arabid and less but still the Roman nose is correct but too extreme whereas the others are just fine. I can just agree that thats is how it looks in most typical representatives, nice job.

Concerning the "Jewish nose" you are right, but dont forget it comes from Europe and in Europe, North of a certain line, almost Jews only had pronounced Armenid noses - which was a major feature for distinction obviously...

[psychosemitic]

agrippa said:

Very good work, it shows extremes, but still the most typical forms. Especially the Arabid and less but still the Roman nose is correct but too extreme whereas the others are just fine. I can just agree that thats is how it looks in most typical representatives, nice job.

Concerning the "Jewish nose" you are right, but dont forget it comes from Europe and in Europe, North of a certain line, almost Jews only had pronounced Armenid noses - which was a major feature for distinction obviously...

i disagree i mean fact is jews dont exactly have the "armenian" nose in droves it is actually rare acourding to some "nose census" done in the past (look at jewish encyclopedia) most of the time when a fellow jew feels his nose is "jewey" its usually somewhere between roman and armenian nose, something like that guy from the sopranos

[Agrippa]

psychosemitic said:

i disagree i mean fact is jews dont exactly have the "armenian" nose in droves it is actually rare acourding to some "nose census" done in the past (look at jewish encyclopedia) most of the time when a fellow jew feels his nose is "jewey" its usually somewhere between roman and armenian nose, something like that guy from the sopranos

My point was not that most Jews have such a nose, but this type of nose both in extreme-typical form and in mixture is much more common in Jews than in Europeans. And its that kind of appearance which is 'stereotypically Jewish' in the negative way.

Rather Orientalid Jews are "more Semitic" by the way and represent another, but in Europe less common "Jewish variant":

[Agrippa]

somal said:

So a convex nose is a long nose?

No. Usually convex noses are longer and concaves shorter, but thats no absolute rule.

Concave = curving inward
Straight + Wavy should be clear - wavy refers to a wavy profile and overall rather straight nose.
Convex = curving outward

what kind of nose would this be?

Wavy and straight to moderately convex, higher rooted and moderately prominent.

[Soomaal]

agrippa said:

somal said:

So a convex nose is a long nose?

No. Usually convex noses are longer and concaves shorter, but thats no absolute rule.

Concave = curving inward
Straight + Wavy should be clear - wavy refers to a wavy profile and overall rather straight nose.
Convex = curving outward

what kind of nose would this be?

Wavy and straight to moderately convex, higher rooted and moderately prominent.

Is there a specific name for a nose with that description?

[Agrippa]

I dont know an appropriate term at the moment. But if comparing with those mentioned above. Between "Greek" and "Roman" comes closest
The nasal profile is Europoid.