"Roman nose" vs. "Jewish nose"

[zathuras]

Jean Reno has a Jewish nose too, even though there is no evidence he is Jewish.

[stella22]

drooperdoo said:

Well, look at this Jewish girl, before and after rhinoplasty to see a nose that is remarkably disproprtionate to her other small features. It's not just the fact that her face is dominated by her nose (which is not the case with Europeans who have the Roman nose) it's that it's also sharper and larger:

Nice try, Droop, but plenty of Europeans (with or without the Roman nose) have big long noses which dominate the face too. It is certainly not only Jewish people who go in for rhinoplasy.

BTW, nice picking and choosing of pictures- a girl with an uncommonly giant nose vs a hottie movie star.

[Drooperdoo]

Don't get all politically correct on us! Be honest: Middle Easterners typically have more dominant noses than Europeans. That's not an attack, or an attempt to limit people to stereotypes; it's just statistically true.

And you're wrong: Rhinoplasty in the Jewish community is far more common statistically than among Gentiles. Read Phillip Roth's Goodbye, Columbus. Or Marjorie Morningstar. People of Levantine extraction, thrust into Northern European countries, often look quite different from their host-populations, and feel their difference keenly. To play down the ethnic difference, many rely on nose-jobs. It's become so common in some communities that it's considered a rite-of-passage. Phillip Roth got in trouble for writing about the phenomenon in his community.

So stop pretending that Norwegians are going in for nose-reductions at the same rates that Jews or Arabs do.

Comedian Bill Maher (who is half-Irish, half-Jewish) said it the best: "Stop acting like representing Jews with big noses is antisemitic! People in the Middle East do have bigger noses. It's a fact. It's not a slur to mention reality. Look at my nose--and I'm only half-Jewish!"



* In the cause of fairness, it must be admitted that Bill Maher doesn't belong to the "hooked nose" branch of Jewry, but to the "bulbous nosed Larry King" branch.



Both men kind of look like white-washed negroes--like Eddie Murphy when he went undercover as a "white man":

[stella22]

drooperdoo said:

Be honest: Middle Easterners typically have more dominant noses than Europeans.

When you put it that way, fine. But when looking for an example of an armenoid face, people look for one where the nose takes up 40% of the face. This is an exaggeration. You did the same.

[asdf]

drooperdoo said:

Don't get all politically correct on us! Be honest: Middle Easterners typically have more dominant noses than Europeans. That's not an attack, or an attempt to limit people to stereotypes; it's just statistically true.

And you're wrong: Rhinoplasty in the Jewish community is far more common statistically than among Gentiles. Read Phillip Roth's Goodbye, Columbus. Or Marjorie Morningstar. People of Levantine extraction, thrust into Northern European countries, often look quite different from their host-populations, and feel their difference keenly. To play down the ethnic difference, many rely on nose-jobs. It's become so common in some communities that it's considered a rite-of-passage. Phillip Roth got in trouble for writing about the phenomenon in his community.

So stop pretending that Norwegians are going in for nose-reductions at the same rates that Jews or Arabs do.

Comedian Bill Maher (who is half-Irish, half-Jewish) said it the best: "Stop acting like representing Jews with big noses is antisemitic! People in the Middle East do have bigger noses. It's a fact. It's not a slur to mention reality. Look at my nose--and I'm only half-Jewish!"



* In the cause of fairness, it must be admitted that Bill Maher doesn't belong to the "hooked nose" branch of Jewry, but to the "bulbous nosed Larry King" branch.



Both men kind of look like white-washed negroes--like Eddie Murphy when he went undercover as a "white man":

Well, everyone looks alike when the only pictures you use are 50 pixels wide.

[australoserbicus]

Who is a better example of a roman nose, Matt Lauer or Breckin Meyers, or am i way off with both?

[Drooperdoo]

Breckin Meyer, who starred in the short-lived TV comedy Inside Schwartz, is actually not Jewish. (He even took "Jewish lessons" before portraying a Jew on TV, according to online Semito-site http://www.jewhoo.com.)

TV interviewer Matt Lauer is half-Jewish. (He was raised Christian, though--and routinely blunders among Jewish guests, like when he asked Jerry Seinfeld what he got his daughter for Christmas, whereupon the comic retorted, "Nothing! She's Jewish.")

Ironically, Lauer--who is part-Jewish--has the Roman nose, and Meyer (who is a Gentile) has the broken-nosed profile associated with Middle Easterners.

[Agrippa]

"Jewish nose" (Central-Southern) Armenoid derived, Roman mostly Dinaroid (+Mediterranid or Nordid). Simple as that.

[buddy]

stella22 said:

platypus said:

are you sure?
I think the 'jewish' nose is rather distinc and more soft-flashy, the roman nose is rather lean or indeed average in thickness, not really bulbous.

Yes, I'm sure. There are minor differences, but both are convex/aquiline noses of varying degrees. Just don't tell a European Christian they have a Jewish nose even if they do. I can guarantee they'll take it as an insult.

You're largely correct about many people taking it as an offense, though I must say I didn't when people were stating that my nose is hooked. It's just that it simply isn't. My nose is more of the Roman, or perhaps Greek, type. My nose looks rather dominating from the front, but if you've ever seen pics of my profile, it has a straight angle to it. That said, I've seen plenty of Jews with a nose more like mine, and not like the classic Armenoid type.

Heck, I'd say that nearly half of the Jews I know look less like a stereotypical Jew than I do!

[wendland]

So, the Roman nose is convex without a hook, and the Jewish nose is with a hook. That's the difference? Someone said the Roman nose was straight. But, doesn't convex preclude straight? If it's convex, it can't be straight.

[asdf]

That was already corrected. The Roman and Jewish noses are convex; the Greek is straight with a high bridge.

[stella22]

seizure said:

That was already corrected. The Roman and Jewish noses are convex; the Greek is straight with a high bridge.

Right....same nose, different religions

[asdf]

What? No. The Roman nose is what Britishers came up with as a name for, as mentioned, the local Dinaroid-Mediterranid/Nordid ("Keltic Nordic"?) nose after the similar (partially) Dinarid profiles of many a Roman bust, and also means any Dinarid nose. The Jewish nose is a downwards-pointing and looks quite different.

I take it though Roman is more at Caesar's than Cato's.

[One Humanity]

No offence to Jews here, I'm just analyzing the racial variations.

Pygmids and related definitely are a race of their own.

[One Humanity]

Selected pictures of Pakistanis:






Kashmiris:









Look at the forehead of the first man, it looks like Lundman's drawing of an Armenid:


Another Kashmiri picture as a contrast, the girl on the left looks almost Nordic:


More Armenoid, Saif Ali Khan from New Delhi:




Lundman wrote about curious ("eigentümlich") Armenoid types at the northwestern coast of India, which is a pred. Indid area according to Eickstedt's map as opposed to pred. Veddid.

Lundman also wrote that Nordindids as a whole (not only the Armenoid variants) are a very old race distinct from the rest of India and genetics seem to affirm this. Agrippa once described Armenids as civilization type.

Princess Diana also looked a bit Dinaricized, she had Armenian ancestry but that is remote, only 1/64th (traced to an Armenian in India), according to Glenlivet.