"Roman nose" vs. "Jewish nose"

[One Humanity]

The Alpinid type is not typical of Jews according to Clauss, Coon saw the Jews as Mediterranoid and most others designated Armenid and Orientalid as the main types.

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german1984 said:

Another Alpine, Italian most likely, so beautiful and far from being immature:

That's Jean Todt - half Polish Jew, half French.



I never thought I'd see him described as beatiful! ;D

[One Humanity]

Maybe the Polish part was Nordid? He looks pred. Alpinid frontally.

[Agrippa]

He is of that typical heavy, often lighter Armenoid variant you can see often in a certain kind of Jews. I refer to them as to the core of the Jewish people because they are the main reason for their deviation in many ways. He might show tendencies towards pyknomorphisation rather than strong Alpinisation though some is present.

[ratrace]

Here is a start

Find the origins of the term "roman nose"

[One Humanity]

agrippa said:

He is of that typical heavy, often lighter Armenoid variant you can see often in a certain kind of Jews. I refer to them as to the core of the Jewish people because they are the main reason for their deviation in many ways. He might show tendencies towards pyknomorphisation rather than strong Alpinisation though some is present.

There are a lot of Frenchmen and Germans that have this look, be it in a slighter degree.

[Agrippa]

Exactly that way very seldom and mainly frontal not profile.

Henry Kissinger which is very typical for what I mean shows similar tendencies.

[Crimson Guard]

Kissinger however lacks the protruding mouth of the French/Polish jew man.

That French/Polish jew dude has a head like a chicken.

[Agrippa]

"Roman Noses" for comparison:




Hadrian comes close too:


They are sharp, narrower both at the root, bridge and tip, Dinaroid derived and dont show the typical "6 form" of certain (Central-Southern) Armenoid forms.

Compare with John R. Baker, I scanned and posted the sides on Skadi.

This site shows some correct representations of the extreme:
wsi.matriots.com/What%20is%20a%20Jew.html

They have scanned and quoted Baker too:






Obviously not all Romans had a "Roman" and not all Jews have a "Jewish" nose, but both terms show whats the important, distinctive component, Dinaroid in the first and Armenoid in the 2nd case.

[ratrace]

Are these your opinions or are they bakers? show us an Armenoid nose

[Agrippa]

Done, I just edited thread above.

That quote on the site mentioned above should be corrected in detail:
John Baker shows that Jews are indeed an ethnic group related by race, although he says that they are not a subrace since some people of Armenid descent are not Jewish[/img]

Neither are all Jews Armenid nor is the majority of Armenids Jewish so "some" might be misleading. Furthermore we see in Jews mainly a certain type of Armenoid/Assyrid and in a specific mixture.
And even from my personal experience I can say that most Jews I met have Armenid admixture but typical Armenids are not that common.

[ratrace]

Armenoid, Armenid i dont get anyway the jews who have that "jew nose" is a middle eastern trait.jewish people did come from middle east.

The roman nose/med nose is cousin to jewish nose through Neolithic farmers

[Agrippa]

ratrace said:

Armenoid, Armenid i dont get anyway the jews who have that "jew nose" is a middle eastern trait.jewish people did come from middle east.

The roman nose/med nose is cousin to jewish nose through Neolithic farmers

Neither are all Middle Easterners Armenoid, nor can you say that Dinarids are the direct result of Neolithic expansion. Furthermore at the time of the Neolithic expansion Taurids in general and Armenids in particular were no important factor and came into full existance and that importance just later.

Furthermore, as I said already in other threads, Taurids seem to be the result of adaptation to a higher, mountainous areas and thin-dry air and an subsistence pattern mostly based in animal husbandry. If they have a common core can be even questioned.
So after that scenario its most likely that Armenoids came out of a more Northern mountainous area and developed certain subtypes especially in the lowland settlements, for the existence in sedentary, bigger societies. They lost a lot of physical potential during this process and the difference between Southern Armenids and Mtebid/Kaukasid shows that.

In every case, going after that scenario, they were no typical Middle Easterners at the time of the Neolithic expansion but came into the Israeli and Syrian area mostly later.

[ratrace]

agrippa said:

ratrace said:

Armenoid, Armenid i dont get anyway the jews who have that "jew nose" is a middle eastern trait.jewish people did come from middle east.

The roman nose/med nose is cousin to jewish nose through Neolithic farmers

Neither are all Middle Easterners Armenoid, nor can you say that Dinarids are the direct result of Neolithic expansion. Furthermore at the time of the Neolithic expansion Taurids in general and Armenids in particular were no important factor and came into full existance and that importance just later.

Furthermore, as I said already in other threads, Taurids seem to be the result of adaptation to a higher, mountainous areas and thin-dry air and an subsistence pattern mostly based in animal husbandry. If they have a common core can be even questioned.
So after that scenario its most likely that Armenoids came out of a more Northern mountainous area and developed certain subtypes especially in the lowland settlements, for the existence in sedentary, bigger societies. They lost a lot of physical potential during this process and the difference between Southern Armenids and Mtebid/Kaukasid shows that.

In every case, going after that scenario, they were no typical Middle Easterners at the time of the Neolithic expansion but came into the Israeli and Syrian area mostly later.

Jews came from the middle east hence middle eastern features such as the nose.

Roman nose is Med,Med Neolithic people such as the etruscans.Where did the etruscans come from?

[One Humanity]

Not really that important but here are some pictures of people that resemble Jean Todt.

French:



German:










Maltese: