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Post by Springa on Apr 6, 2004 8:33:21 GMT -5
By the way, I'm mostly Portuguese and my hair is black, but also not jet or raven black, because it has reddish brown overtones if you look at it neart a lamp or in the sun. My beard has red and blond hairs here and there. All Portuguese black haired people I know are like that, not 100% jet black. Of course it is considered black by northern europeans, and I always describe my hair as "black", but in my army papers for instance, it says "dark brown" not black. Nobody here has cast any doubt that the vast majority of Portuguese have dark brown or "blackish" hair. What is incorrect is the affirmation that most Portuguese have jet-black hair such as the Chinese or East Indians. Even black Africans don´t have jet-black hair, despite its curlyness.
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Post by Silveira on Apr 6, 2004 9:58:12 GMT -5
What came into evidence in this thread is the difference in the popularly accepted definitions of certain terms such as "black haired" and "blonde" between Portugal and northern European countries. Most Portuguese with "black hair" do in fact have very dark brown hair. And Portuguese who describe themselves as "louro/a" are, for the most part, considered "brunette".
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Post by heydrich on Apr 7, 2004 4:42:21 GMT -5
I disagree with the use of football players as a source of racial types typical of Portugal (or any other country, for that matter). Everywhere in the world, football teams include lots of foreigners, and in Portugal, even when the players are "Portuguese", they tend to be highly mongrelized, since they often originated in shanty towns, which are mostly populated by immingrants from the former Portuguese colonies, and are places where racial preservation is not much prized. Besides, football teams include many Brazilians, which are even more mixed. Simão Sabrosa, for example, clearly has black ancestry. And Deco must have amerindian ancestry. The truth is, the only viable escape from poverty for these sometimes intellectually not so brilliant mixed race people is football. Much the same happens in Brazil.
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Post by alex221166 on Apr 7, 2004 7:04:22 GMT -5
I disagree with the use of football players as a source of racial types typical of Portugal (or any other country, for that matter). Everywhere in the world, football teams include lots of foreigners, and in Portugal, even when the players are "Portuguese", they tend to be highly mongrelized, since they often originated in shanty towns, which are mostly populated by immingrants from the former Portuguese colonies, and are places where racial preservation is not much prized. Besides, football teams include many Brazilians, which are even more mixed. Simão Sabrosa, for example, clearly has black ancestry. And Deco must have amerindian ancestry. The truth is, the only viable escape from poverty for these sometimes intellectually not so brilliant mixed race people is football. Much the same happens in Brazil. Deco was born in Brazil. As to Simão Sabrosa, he is Northern Portuguese (almost Galician) and as far as I know he doesn't have any recent black admixture. I don't think he looks mixed race, though he might have some berberid (north African) strains.
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Post by heydrich on Apr 7, 2004 8:30:17 GMT -5
Simão Sabrosa clearly has negroid traits (a relatively wide nose, fleshy lips, frizzly hair and a darker than usual complexion), as the following photos show unlike, for example, these portuguese students: The fact that he is from Minho means nothing, since there are many people there who were in the former portuguese territories of Africa. His phenotype is certainly not "celtic"!
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Post by Silveira on Apr 7, 2004 8:49:52 GMT -5
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Post by buddyrydell on Apr 8, 2004 0:54:18 GMT -5
To executiona9, are you sure that Greeks are lighter than Spaniards and Italians? I thought that Greeks and Italians were closer to each other in physical type than either was to Spaniards. I know there isn't much difference as they are all fully southern European of course, but don't Greeks and Italians have heavier Alpine strains mixed with Mediterranean while Spain has little Alpine/Nordic admixture? Also, I have a photo posted on the guess race/nationality etc. forum and I was frequently mistaken for Greek, but I'm actually largely Italian in ancestry. My dad's full Italian (Sicilian) and my mother's a mix of Italian, Irish, German, and other bloodlines. My dad looks like the average Sicilian while my mother looks northern European or typical white American if you will, LOL. For the record, my hair's a very dark brown (not jet black) , eyes are green (but some days they look more mixed), and my skin's a brunet white/light olive tone. Most people think I look much more like my dad and therefore, Mediterranean (usually Greek or Italian) but feel free to take a look and add input. Thanks! img43.photobucket.com/albums/v132/psuguy/portrait_shots_003.jpgimg43.photobucket.com/albums/v132/psuguy/portrait_shots_002.jpg
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Post by domii on Apr 8, 2004 3:33:46 GMT -5
another Portuguese player, Jaoa(?) Pinto
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Post by executiona9 on Apr 8, 2004 8:28:05 GMT -5
I didnt say that. I said the opposite : Greeks are on average darker than italians and spaniards.
Spain, Italy and Greece all have a lot of alpine admixture.
I would say your subtype is mediterrenean from seeing your pictures. In my opinion you look very much like a greek by the way
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Post by WB on Apr 9, 2004 15:11:29 GMT -5
Why is everyone acting like black hair in Portugal is a burden? It's not an insult.
My mother is Azorean and of pretty much pure Portuguese heritage, as far as I know, because my family has been on the islands for 500+ years. She has black, curly hair, a Mediterranean nose, black eyes and kind of pale skin.
Curly-black hair is not a Negroid indicator.
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Post by alex221166 on Apr 9, 2004 16:28:10 GMT -5
Why is everyone acting like black hair in Portugal is a burden? It's not an insult. My mother is Azorean and of pretty much pure Portuguese heritage, as far as I know, because my family has been on the islands for 500+ years. She has black, curly hair, a Mediterranean nose, black eyes and kind of pale skin. Curly-black hair is not a Negroid indicator. I don't think it is a burden (one of my brothers has black curly/wavy hair) but it just doesn't happen to be true that 40% of the Portuguese have black hair. There are black-haired people in Portugal but they are definitely a very small minority.
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Post by ramsharma on Apr 9, 2004 16:40:51 GMT -5
But still, the texture of European hair is quite different from Middle Eastern or Asian(East or South) ones, whether the color be black or brown or yellow. Asians have thicker hair, middle easterners have intermediate. I haven't read most of the remarks, but I think discerning ethnicity by hair color only is discarding the actual hair structure, which is more important.
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Post by WB on Apr 18, 2004 14:53:42 GMT -5
Most in my family seem to have this kind of hair. Both colouring and texture. Although my aunt, and some other relatives have straight (but frizzy, if you understand) brown hair. Both my parents have almost "black" hair and I ended up with almost-darkbrown hair.
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Post by Requiem on Apr 18, 2004 23:55:37 GMT -5
curly hair = Mulatto ? You mean like these Mulattos? Yeah, I think you guys are on to something! She looks just like them!
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Post by buddyrydell on Apr 19, 2004 13:16:55 GMT -5
curly hair = Mulatto ? You mean like these Mulattos? Yeah, I think you guys are on to something! She looks just like them! LOL
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