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Post by Graeme on Apr 20, 2004 9:58:31 GMT -5
No one mentions frizzy hair. The reason I mention it is that lots of Irish people have frizzy hair especially the redheaded ones.
It was funny reading about black hair v. brown hair. What is wrong with black hair? Actually a black haired woman with white Keltic type skin and dark blue eyes is perfection to me. I have noticed that black haired Europeans tend to be white skinned. How one assesses dark hair colour depends on where you live. In Australia which is an Anglo country, dark brown hair is called black, even jet or raven black. I should know as I have dark brown hair and for years I called it black because that is the way the folks see it here. Oddly blond is very expansive in the colour range. I used to have a beard, a thin dark brown beard with half the hairs red and some scattered white blond hairs. It made the beard look lighter than my hair. Those red and blond hairs are the first to go grey. My hair is straight and flat on my head when short, but grows into a mane when long and the ends are red. The problem with dark hair in Southern Europe is its prevalence and monotony. I guess I prefer a range of hair colours - white blond to black and red shades.
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Post by Manji on Apr 22, 2004 10:41:24 GMT -5
I'm portuguese (there seems to be a large contingent of portuguese here ) and I have black hair mixed with dark brown. Most people, even when very close to me, say that I have black hair but that's not the truth. I can't seem to understand the big issue here. Anyway, i'll post a foto of mine soon to be classified in terms of race and you will probably notice the hair colour. Cheers Mates
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Post by Silveira on Apr 22, 2004 11:18:23 GMT -5
Yes, there are now several Portuguese and part Portuguese people here. Welcome!
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Post by Requiem on Apr 24, 2004 22:50:50 GMT -5
No one mentions frizzy hair. The reason I mention it is that lots of Irish people have frizzy hair especially the redheaded ones. It was funny reading about black hair v. brown hair. What is wrong with black hair? Actually a black haired woman with white Keltic type skin and dark blue eyes is perfection to me. Black hair/blue eye combo rocks frizzy hair is pretty common with whites, maybe people just are not used to seeing it?
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Post by sbutalia on Apr 25, 2004 1:34:43 GMT -5
Yes, there are now several Portuguese and part Portuguese people here. Welcome! cool.. lol this thread is interesting.... people told me i look similar to luis figo hehe im sure u know him... but im north indian though
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Post by Transmontano on Apr 26, 2004 19:32:10 GMT -5
Another Portuguese to join the club, and this one from the north, Bragança, and happens that I´m blond, but I really have to say that we are a minority in Portugal, and so strange we are there is in fact a nick name for us, whom I heard a lot when I was a kid: "russo de mau pelo", it´s a popular expression meaning that people with blonde hair are not trustfull not to say worse.
Also I´m stunned seeing where people stating that in Portugal there is only a minority of ppl who have dark hair, my Wife as a pure black hair, as lot of friends I have.
Now, as I said on another topic, what troubles me is that there are always ppl in this Forum saying that we are diferent from the spanish ppl, sorry that´s not true.
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Post by dyn on Apr 26, 2004 21:47:54 GMT -5
Also I´m stunned seeing where people stating that in Portugal there is only a minority of ppl who have dark hair, my Wife as a pure black hair, as lot of friends I have. Yes, that is because this board is full of paranoid southern Europeans whose insecurites bleed through their posts. ;D It's just ridiculous. Someone said that 2-3% of Portuguese have black hair? lol I think they forgot to move the decimal point. EDIT: Just looked at the earlier pages again and, no, that wasn't 2-3% of the total population-- my mistake. Nonetheless, the implication was that the figure for the country is < 10%, which while not as ridiculous as 2-3% is still ridiculous. I would be surprised if the total for the country was under 15% and I wouldn't be surprised if it was, say, 20%. To clarify something here, I think that "black" and "blackish" should be grouped in one category (black/blackish) as there is no valid basis to do otherwise.
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Post by executiona9 on Apr 27, 2004 4:08:20 GMT -5
You already answered the question by saying blond people are rare in Portugal. In Spain blond hair is not rare at all. There are lots of natural blond spanish people, especially among spanish children blond hair is very common, among adults its more rare. If I had to make an estimate I would say that 10 % of the Spanish adults have natural blond hair, 15 % natural blond hair for spanish women and 5 % natural blond hair for spanish men. (women have on average naturally lighter hair than men as you probably will know) Ofcourse these estimates are very rough, but its about to give a brief indication.
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Post by geirr on Apr 27, 2004 7:14:35 GMT -5
Another Portuguese to join the club, and this one from the north, Bragança, and happens that I´m blond, but I really have to say that we are a minority in Portugal, and so strange we are there is in fact a nick name for us, whom I heard a lot when I was a kid: "russo de mau pelo", it´s a popular expression meaning that people with blonde hair are not trustfull not to say worse. Also I´m stunned seeing where people stating that in Portugal there is only a minority of ppl who have dark hair, my Wife as a pure black hair, as lot of friends I have. Now, as I said on another topic, what troubles me is that there are always ppl in this Forum saying that we are diferent from the spanish ppl, sorry that´s not true. This is the most balanced post on this thread, dark hair including black is common throughout Southern Europe including Portugal and Spain. What's the big deal about this? why are some Iberians on this thread so defensive about the hair color of their countrymen and women? It points to some Kempian inferiority complex that anyone with Black hair is not totally European. My hair is black, some of you here would consider it dark brown. I just asked someone right now what my hair color is and she said it was black. Trust me, it's black. Black hair in people of European descent is common, if Kemp (what's Kempy's hair color again?) or any other Nordicist believes that this is a sign of mixing with non-Europeans then boo-hoo. Look, I have no problem people refuting Kemp/Nordicists but I do have a problem with people who have thin skin. I'm currently working on a website to help these people which I hope to finish soon it's called Arthur Kemp's wacky race theories- GET OVER IT!
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Post by Silveira on Apr 27, 2004 7:22:54 GMT -5
I generally agree with what you are saying and I have yet to read on this thread anyone stating that dark-haired people are a minority in Portugal. I would say over 85% can be considered dark-brown or black haired. However, it would be incorrect to state that most Portuguese have what would technically be considered black hair (ie. jet-black like the Chinese).
Regarding Spain, I think that what you say is reasonable but you should consider the diversity in Alpine/Nordic admixture between the various regions of Spain. From what I have seen travelling through Spain, the Mediterranean type (dark hair and eyes, medium-dark skin, dolicocephalic head) is still predominant in most of Spain. Certain eastern and especially north-eastern regions of Spain may be mostly Alpine but individuals of Mediterranean race are still numerically dominant amongst the entire Spanish population. Nordic types are more common in most regions of Spain than in Portugal. However the existance of Nordic traits in many Portuguese cannot be ruled out, as is demonstrated by Transmontano who is blonde haired.
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Post by Silveira on Apr 27, 2004 7:27:55 GMT -5
I understand your position but after reading n times on the internet that the Portuguese are subhuman mulattoes and that the Portuguese responsible for Portugal´s maritime expansion were not Portuguese but nordics one gets into a defensive state of mind when dealing with outsiders.
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Post by Graeme on Apr 27, 2004 10:17:33 GMT -5
Friends, Geirr lives in Australia as I do, but unlike Geirr I was born in southern Europe, he was born in Argentinia. The fact is that in Australia the predominant whites are Anglos and they can't see the difference between dark brown hair and black hair. Then again, I have a very restricted view of what blond means. I hardly use the word. Most Anglo blonds have ashy or mousy brown hair and they often lighten it to with special rinses to make it blond like that of childrens' hair. I have no problems with black hair and as I mentioned before, I find it quite attractive, more so than the various shades of brown that most Europeans have. In my own country, Malta, there are more redheads than blonds and I expect that would be the same in Portugal.
For dyn, take a couple of aspirins, I am sure your head will be better in the morning.
Portugal is not a Mediterranean country. Its faces towards the west and its coasline is in the Atlantic.
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Post by Transmontano on Apr 27, 2004 13:16:07 GMT -5
Portugal is not a Mediterranean country. Its faces towards the west and its coasline is in the Atlantic. I can resist to say something, yes someone as hit the mouche, its outstanding to consider the mostly mediterranic the portuguese when they doesn´t have any connections with the mediterranean, not geographical or even historical. Its so ironical to see that even the Swiss ppl are more near the mediterranean area than the majority of the portuguese.
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Post by Silveira on Apr 27, 2004 14:28:25 GMT -5
Of course Portugal doesn´t actually border the Mediterranean sea. The term "Mediterranean" as a racial designation was devised because of the greater concentration of this type in southern European countries which are known in most of Europe as "the Mediterranean countries". Racially the Portuguese are mostly what is known as "Mediterranean", with minor Alpine and Nordic elements.
Climatically, mainland Portugal is divided into several different variants of what is broadly called the "Mediterranean" climate: somewhat more humid and mild in the north-west, dry with cool winters and hot summers in the northeast and interior, and dry with very hot summers in the south. Most geographers consider as Mediterranean any climate ideal for the cultivation of olives. Olives can be easily grown in all provinces of mainland Portugal. The Azores and Madeira have very different climates which cannot really be classified as "Mediterranean". The Azores have year round rainy and mild climate and Madeira has a warm climate similar to the Atlantic coast of Morocco.
Culturally Portugal is considered a Mediterranean country. Solidly Catholic, traditional Portuguese society, ie. that which existed in rural Portugal until a couple of decades ago, fits all the parameters one associates with Mediterranean Europe. Even modern Portuguese society demonstrates many of the cultural patterns common in other Mediterranean European countries.
Historically Portugal has been more "Western" or Atlantic than "Mediterranean". After gaining independance from León, which would eventually unite with Castille and then form with other regions the modern state of Spain, Portugal had to turn its attention towards the sea for military support and for trade and commerce. This was managed by forming commercial relations with northern European maritime nations (such as England, Denmark and Flandres), including a political alliance with England as well as commercial relations with cities on the Moroccan coast which the Portuguese crown would eventually take from 1415 onwards (conquest of Ceuta). Also from the early 15th century onwards, the isolated Portuguese kingdom embarked on overseas expansion into the great unknown which would mark Portugal´s presence on the world stage.
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Post by dyn on Apr 27, 2004 17:05:52 GMT -5
For dyn, take a couple of aspirins, I am sure your head will be better in the morning. A little too close to home for ya, Graeme? I have seen enough of your posts to know that you are prone to making, shall we say, "interesting" statements. I'm not trying to get banned after two posts, you see. Still, I will say that I think much if not most of what you say is asinine and plainly absurd. Let's see here... claiming that certain types are "stupid looking" and other such garbage. Trying to convince people that Mediterraneans are basically just dark-haired Swedes, is all! Fervently denying obvious similarities with north Africans and Middle Easterners. Claiming that Carleton Coon had bad vision. The problem isn't in Coon's eyes, it's in your head-- and I don't think a couple of aspirins will help you.
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