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Post by Caipira on Dec 1, 2003 1:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by Caipira on Dec 1, 2003 1:14:27 GMT -5
There´s no pic ! Wait a minute Now yes...
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Dean
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Post by Dean on Dec 1, 2003 1:45:50 GMT -5
You look Mediterranean.
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Post by AWAR on Dec 1, 2003 4:17:18 GMT -5
You look like a mediterranean/amerindian mix. Am I right?
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Post by Arawn on Dec 1, 2003 9:32:47 GMT -5
You look like a guy from my school who was part Dutch part Moroccan.
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Post by AWAR on Dec 1, 2003 18:52:17 GMT -5
You look like a guy from my school who was part Dutch part Moroccan. Dutch-Moroccan...isn't that a sort of light drug
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Post by Artemisia on Dec 1, 2003 21:39:59 GMT -5
Portuguese and Amerindian....perhaps Yanomamo?
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Post by Artemidoros on Dec 2, 2003 16:28:17 GMT -5
You look Portuguese, possibly with minor Amerindian admixture or other non-caucasoid.
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Post by Caipira on Dec 2, 2003 21:32:05 GMT -5
Lolololol... Generally when people know that I´m Brazilian, they think that I have a little bit of Amerindian blood... I think that this happens because of my eyes, that are small (or have you seen other Amerindian features in me ?)... Once a Japanese-Brazilian girl asked me if I have some slighly Japanese admixture, but I´m sure that I don´t have any Mongolic blood...
Well, my father is 3/4 Spaniard and 1/4 Italian. My mother is 90% Iberian/Italian too... But she has some German blood, in Europe they used to ask my mom if she´s Dutch. Like Artemidoros sayd, I have some non-Caucasoid blood, in my mother´s side, perhaps 2% (or less) Negroid heritage. Is less than the Portuguese avarege (5%), so probably it doesn´t make a big diference in my genome. Some of you saw some non-Caucasoid admixture in me, but this "non-Caucasoid" features I took from my Dad that is 100% European. My non-Caucasod blood comes from my mom´s that looks like Nordic. How could it be ?
Caipira!!
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Post by Silveira on Dec 3, 2003 15:56:38 GMT -5
The Portuguese "average" for negroid ancestry is not 5%. This figure may be accurate for southern Portugal (Alentejo and Algarve), which make up about 8-10% of Portugal´s total population but not for the country as a whole. The national average of negroid ancestry is probably closer to 1-2%. Most Portuguese who emigrated to Brazil in the 19th and 20th centuries were from rural villages in the densely populated north of Portugal where negroid ancestry is virtually nill.
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Post by AWAR on Dec 3, 2003 16:08:27 GMT -5
Someone, on some forum posted a picture of portugal at night, as seen from the orbit.
The idea is to show the density of population, from that photo, it's obvious that north portugal is multiple times more populated in the north.
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Post by Caipira on Dec 3, 2003 21:55:47 GMT -5
Sorry about the 5%, Silveira... Is the number that I found at this site... Look above: NATIONALITY ADMIXTURE Lapps 47.4% Finns 30.0% Lithuanians* 23.5% Estonians 22.7% Latvians* 16.0% Russians 13.2% Turks 5.9% Ukrainians* 5.5% Swedes 5.5% Bulgarians 4.9% Portuguese 4.6% Norwegians 3.5% Czechs* 3.0% Danes 2.9% Frenchmen 2.9% Poles* 2.5% Italians 2.1% Spaniards 2.1% Slovakians* 2.0% Greeks 2.0% Armenians* 1.5% Germans 1.3% Belarusians* 1.0% Yugoslavians* 1.0% Icelanders 0.6% Britons 0.4% Scots 0.3% Irishmen 0.2% You can see that this study shows almost 5% Negroid admixture between Portuguese people. You say that this number, in fact, is lower, about 1-2%, but diferent studies show diferent results... The Minas Gerais University have done a study with the Porto University help. They compared the African Ancestrality index of 20 Portuguese man from Porto and 29 white Brazilian from a small rural comunity in Minas Gerais state, that had a huge process of racial interbreeding in the past, between Portuguese men and African and Amerindian women. About 55% of that Brazilian white men from this mixed rural village had an African ancestrality index equal or lower half of the 20 Portuguese men with the bigger A.A.Is. So, in my opinion, the Negroid influence in Portugal can´t be ignored. How could we ignore this if a big amount of white Brazilian from a very, very mixed race place can have lower A.A.Is than a lot of Portuguese men from the northern Porto city ? Caipira !!!
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Post by alex221166 on Dec 3, 2003 22:33:48 GMT -5
I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but you seem to have very light (but still visible) Negroid admixture. I would estimate something like 10-15%, possibly slightly less.
There is something about your eyes that suggests black admixture, maybe it is the quality of the picture or something.
You do not look Portuguese, but you could pass for a lightly mixed Moroccan.
Incidentally, the Negroid averages for Portugal are:
North - ~1% Centre - ~2-3% South - ~4-5%
According to Gonzalez et al, Northern Portugal has less Negroid ancestry than France.
Once again, I hope you don't take this the wrong way,. but you look way more Negroid than any native Portuguese that I ever saw. Some Portuguese could pass for North African, but no Portuguese (with the exception of the Sado mulattos who number less than one thousand) could pass for a mixed-race Brazilian.
The Portuguese national average is around 3%. That is not enough to be visible. You have much more than 3% because your black ancestry is visible.
More: I happen to have arab and negligible black ancestry from my great grandmother's side (she was born in Mozambique). Two of my brothers are light eyed blonds that look like northern Europeans, and I look like a light skinned Portuguese with no visible traves of non-white ancestry. I have a higher amount of black ancestry than the Portuguese national average, and is not enough to show in me, or in my mother, or even in my grandmother.
Do your math. You have way more than 2%. Multiply those 2% at least 5x. At least.
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Post by Caipira on Dec 3, 2003 23:26:03 GMT -5
Of course I´ll not take it by the wrong way, alex ;D
There are no problems with your observations...
But yes, as I sayd before, my Negroid heritage is minuscule, something about 2%. My father is 3/4 Spaniard and 1/4 Italian. I mean, he´s 100% European. My mom is mostly Iberian too, but with some German blood and with a little Negroid descent. But she doesn´t show any African features, in Europe people asked her if she´s Dutch. My mom is very pale, with wrickles, red straigh hair and with a Nordic biotype. You sayd that there is something in my eyes that remeber a black descent, but my eyes I took from my grandma, and she took them from his granpa, Italian, borned in Mantua. My grandma is part Spaniard and part Italian/German. She´s Alpine with no Negroid heritage.
Talking about my African descent, I have a dark great great grandfather. He´s father was Portuguese and his mom was half Portuguese and half African. I mean, there is an African women in my genealocial tree about 6 generations ago. The rest part of my relatieves came from Europe.
I lived more than 3 years in Spain. Everybody used to see me and my family as White. The same in France and with some Belgium friends. But I need to understand your opinion. This pic I took with a web cam and it isn´t good. My head size is a little diferent, for instance...
But anyway, in Europe (specially in Portugal) I saw plenty of people with more "Negroid features" than me. A classic example would be the Italian soccer player, Alessandro Nesta, with very dark skin, big lips and large nose. But in fact, he´s Italian. The point is that human features can be quite plastic with individual variatons...
Just remebering: I have been to Portugal. People used to ask me if I´m north Spaniard. I don´t know, maybe because my family is much taller than the Portuguese avarege (my father is about 1.91m and my mom 1.77m) and much pale...
But probably another picture will help... I will put another one after... Not taken by a web cam ;D
Caipira !!
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Post by alex221166 on Dec 4, 2003 8:08:51 GMT -5
"But yes, as I sayd before, my Negroid heritage is minuscule, something about 2%. My father is 3/4 Spaniard and 1/4 Italian. I mean, he´s 100% European." So are the Portuguese. Spaniards and Italians have around 1% - more if they come from the south. "My mom is mostly Iberian too, but with some German blood and with a little Negroid descent." West Germans also have around 0,3% Black DNA. "But she doesn´t show any African features, in Europe people asked her if she´s Dutch. My mom is very pale, with wrickles, red straigh hair and with a Nordic biotype." My "mozambican" grandmother had red hair, green eyes, freckled skin and yet she had black ancestry. That means nothing. "Talking about my African descent, I have a dark great great grandfather. He´s father was Portuguese and his mom was half Portuguese and half African. I mean, there is an African women in my genealocial tree about 6 generations ago. The rest part of my relatieves came from Europe." Then you do have recent Black admixture. It is usually said that it takes 5 generations to completely "white-wash" black ancestry, I don't know how true that is. "I lived more than 3 years in Spain. Everybody used to see me and my family as White. The same in France and with some Belgium friends. But I need to understand your opinion. This pic I took with a web cam and it isn´t good. My head size is a little diferent, for instance..." Your skin is white, but you have visible black admixture. You are what we would call over here, a very light skinned "cabrito". "But anyway, in Europe (specially in Portugal) I saw plenty of people with more "Negroid features" than me. A classic example would be the Italian soccer player, Alessandro Nesta, with very dark skin, big lips and large nose. But in fact, he´s Italian. The point is that human features can be quite plastic with individual variatons..." You may have seen recent African immigrants. They are not Portuguese. There are some mulattos, but usually not in Lisbon. In Northern Portugal you won't see one single black person. "Just remebering: I have been to Portugal. People used to ask me if I´m north Spaniard. I don´t know, maybe because my family is much taller than the Portuguese avarege (my father is about 1.91m and my mom 1.77m) and much pale..." You don't look northern Iberian either. Overall you are mediterranean, but there is something in the way you look (mostly your nose and your eyes) that suggests minor black admixture. Your hair looks completely European, and you are lighter skinned that the southern Portuguese average, so... maybe you just got a weird set of genes
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