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Post by Melnorme on Dec 8, 2003 19:49:48 GMT -5
'great99', please take it easy with the insults.
Caipira may be wrong, but he brings up interesting points, and I don't think he has a hostile agenda.
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Post by herrx on Dec 8, 2003 20:19:22 GMT -5
What about Gerard's Nose?
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Post by alex221166 on Dec 8, 2003 20:33:12 GMT -5
I think you are taking these jokes too serious No, I don't take them seriously. I simply consider them a direct consequence of the Brazilian educational system. When I hear stories of Brazilian waiters working IN PORTUGAL saying loudly in the LISBON'S SUBWAY how peasant-like the Portuguese are, when MY OWN BROTHER and his friends are told in Rome by three Brazilian women that whenever someone fell in an escalator in São Paulo, that "someone" was always Portuguese (and then they actually asked if there were any "shopping centers" in Portugal!), when crap like that happens and when I read that half of the insults I got on my site came from Brazilians with an inferiority complex, I think that I am not the one that needs to take things more seriously. Thank you for the History lesson! ;D Always glad to be of some use. there are no anti-portuguese feelings in Brazil That is (for the most part) true. However, when we are daily bombarded with Brazilians making fun of the Portuguese and on the next day these same Brazilians are interviewed by Portuguese channels saying "Eu adooooro Porrrtugáu!!!!". I ask you: how hypocrite is that? I don't lie, not even in the internet. I think you need to grow up Alex, most Brazilians are part Portuguese, Brazil and Portugal were always friendly nations, the Portuguese are our forefathers just because Portuguese are usally the target of Brazilian jokes it doesn't mean we have anything against them, there was never any anti-Portuguese feeling in Brazil, and there will never be. I agree, it is time to grow up. Now you just need to convince the rest of your country. It has been 181 years since Brazil is independant. It is more than time you start blaming yourselves, for a change.
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Post by AWAR on Dec 8, 2003 22:32:24 GMT -5
What about Gerard's Nose? That's a Cro-Magnid noz
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Post by Caipira on Dec 8, 2003 23:18:04 GMT -5
Great99...
I could see that my last post offended you. But I really don´t care about it; it wasn´t my intention.
First of all, I will ignore your insults about me and my family. And I will ignore your paranoic speach, saying that I´m a full Negroid with an Afrocentric agenda, trying to prove that light mestiços and Europeans can look like the same.
The most interesting (and funny) part about your text was that part when I sayd: "Face it son... Cavalli-Sforza agree with me... Walter Neves and 90% of USPs professors agree with me" and you just insulted me. I couldn´t see that ugly word that you´ve written, of course, but I had some fun trying to imagine what was that little insult...
One more thing: I never sayd that Japanese and Portuguese people can look like the same, no they can´t. But the problem is (you can read this at Cavalli-Sforza´s "Quem somos? A história da diversidade humana") that genetic variations are much more quantitative than qualitative and generally, gradual. Cavalli-Sforza´s worked with Walter Neves about the "genetic variation per Km in Europe". It´s hard finding a clear genetic division between people that are near, in the geographical sense. Obviusly Japanese people are diferent from Portuguese ones, but there is a huge distance between them. It´s impossible define where the "Caucasoid" people beggins and where the "Mongoloid" one ends... So, it´s not hard, in some cases, a ligh mixed race person could pass by a European, after all, a ligh mixed race person have a big European genetic contribution, after all. According Richard E. Leakey, in his book "Origens": "Diferent human population´s ARE different". I can´t deny this. But I can´t create clear and solid definitions of race. Alpine, Mediterranean and Nordic... Those terms can only have relevance to the degree that a given researcher chooses to emphasize certain charateristics and ignore others. In that sense, then, race is constructed in the eye of tyhe individual and not in nature. If Coon realizes this and approaches these categories as subjective terms that he and others have agreed upon for practicity's sake, then I wouldn't say they were invalid.
And yes, my friend, I work in a lab and I study Biology at USP. It´s hard finding a good English speaking in Brazil who´s not a student or a person without a diplome... Have heard about Brazilian researches about the Xylella ? Brazilian scientists have decodificated the DNA from the Xylella fastidiosa, a bactery that causes a strange desase in vegetals called "Amarelinho". Well, some studies about other bacteries like the Escherichia coli were done too... This desease is passed by a little insect called "cigarrinha". Before Gustavo Henrique Goldmann´s researches (who works in the FCFRP), São Paulo state needed to use poison to kill the cigarrinha... Now we can produce vegetals that are simply imune to the "Amarelinho". I´m working at USP trying modify genetically some bacteries... Creating mutant versions... One day, maybe, you can do something like that.
Anyway, for is "pretty obviusly" that my family are "typical mestiços", but as I sayd, I have no Amerindian blood, just a small Negroid admixture by my mother´s side. Some people in this forum (mostly Europeans) couldn´t see "obvius" non-white features in my relatieves. You tried to scape, saying that is hard classifying old people and small children, but the new pics have a lot of adults. It´s what I sayd: Sometimes, when two people look to a third, they don´t see the same ethnic group... If it´s "obvius" my non-Caucasoid ancestry, how some people here just sayd that my parents could pass easily by Europeans ??
Oh, you asked if a new pic will make my mom a Dutch. If you were a smart guy, you would know that pics can deform images, specially pics taken by non-professional cams (like web cams). I sayd that I´ll put good and clear pics from my mom here. Wait and see...
Caipira !!
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Post by Caipira on Dec 8, 2003 23:23:52 GMT -5
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Post by Caipira on Dec 8, 2003 23:31:34 GMT -5
Well guys...
I really don´t think that Brazilian jokes about Portuguese people need to be seen as an offense. Brazilian people make jokes about everybody... Japaneses, Portugueses, Argentinians, Baianos, Cearences, Gaúchos, Cariocas, Mineiros, Negroes... Evberybody....
In fact, generally full Portuguese descents in Brazil use to do this jokes...
And as I sayd, still now there are some cities in Brazil where people do not speak Portuguese... Plenty of small southern Brazilian cities are like that...
Caipira !!
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Post by herrx on Dec 8, 2003 23:35:14 GMT -5
Well guys... I really don´t think that Brazilian jokes about Portuguese people need to be seen as an offense. Brazilian people make jokes about everybody... Japaneses, Portugueses, Argentinians, Baianos, Cearences, Gaúchos, Cariocas, Mineiros, Negroes... Evberybody.... In fact, generally full Portuguese descents in Brazil use to do this jokes... And as I sayd, still now there are some cities in Brazil where people do not speak Portuguese... Plenty of small southern Brazilian cities are like that... Caipira !! Well... But if they don't like why to continue? Let's enjoy the first non-political forum we can talk about antropology friendly! Specially to great99, Caipira and Tsuntzu.
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Post by Caipira on Dec 8, 2003 23:52:57 GMT -5
I´m talking friendly to everybody, Herx...
The problem is that Great99 came very agresive answering my posts (including a little insult about my family), thinking that I was trying to prove that Portuguese people are not white. Of course I can´t agree with it, averybody with a brain knows that Portuguese people are white. Personally, I like Portuguese folks. There are 150.000 Portuguese imigrants in São Paulo and I know some of them. I really apreciate a Portuguese family that lives near my home.
Well, you asked me how they still don´t speak Portuguese... They speak at school, but probably they´re trying to keep their identity... I don´t blame them...
Caipira !!
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Post by Caipira on Dec 9, 2003 1:05:02 GMT -5
Another pic from my family... The standing girl is not my relatieve. My hair is a little diferent in this pic, it´s almost black but in the real life is just fair-brown... My sister is inclassificable here because she has done a stupid face when my dad took this pic... Caipira !!
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Post by rusalka on Dec 9, 2003 1:25:01 GMT -5
Personally, I fail to see any negroid influence in you. You and your mother look very Southern European to me, at least from the photos I could see (some of them were not showing). The funny thing is, in the last photo your mother looks VERY different than in the photo where they're holding a baby (your sister) and I'm talking about the last photo here. Your father, however, looks a bit.. something I cannot quite define. You have said that he's the one that has tiny bit of negroid admixture, but somehow he's the one that looks like he has some Amerindian ancestry. As for you, I can't say that your eyes are as small as to point out any Mongoloid (in your case Amerindian) influence. If I saw you in Europe I'd think Southern European and if I saw you in the US, I'd think Southern American. Your grandparents, especially your grandfather, look Med to me. That is, of course my very personal and unprofessional observation. That said, I'm only familiar with Southern Americans and their phenotypes for the last 2 years. It may be only natural that I'm inclined to think "European" and try to place people in parts I'm more familiar with when I look at them. I don't mean the obviously native Indian looking ones of course.
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Post by Yiannis on Dec 9, 2003 5:49:03 GMT -5
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Post by herrx on Dec 9, 2003 7:20:02 GMT -5
Yannis, your pictures don't appears!
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Post by Necronomicom on Dec 9, 2003 8:44:25 GMT -5
Southern European mediterranean
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Post by great99 on Dec 9, 2003 9:37:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry, your posts don't offend me. They are soooo inferior that I have get funny with them. What I think horrible is that you is lying over and over If you you prove these are my words, OK. I haven't said such thing. I'm just proving you is a liar and I suppose you is negroid. If you is really this guy, so you have ameirindian in you. I type the wrong words. My intention was to say: "This is another of your untruths" More information from your internet texts. You are so stupid that again you are giving wrong interpretation to theses works. Again wrong interpretations. Is it possible to say when the mongoloid race end and the europeans start or when the berberoid end and the europeans start? Not GEOGRAPHICALLY. It isn't possible because of several migrations and interbreed through the time. There aren't a end to a subspecies. Follow my example: Where the berberoids start? Probably in North African. If someone recongnize that haplogroups types Hg21 and U6 are super concentrated in North Africa, so we will suppose these start in North Africa. South Europe is probably less than 20% Hg21 and less than 6% U6. North Africa is more than 80% Hg21 and more than 60% U6. By this logic, so we will say they start probably in North Africa, but not necessarily? Where the berberoids end: North africa, South Europe, North Europe, Middle East, mongolia? There aren't ends? Since they have, Through the time, migrate to almost all places and interbreed with different types it's impossible to say the end. In this case If you know what polymorphism is (what I doubt you know), so you know very well what I'm talking about. What English and biology have to do, your liar? Stop to say you work in a lab. You knowledge is sooooooooo simple and wrong to this. More copies of internet texts No. Everyone agree that children and old persons are something hard to classify. BTW your new adults don't help in nothing. The pics are blurry, very bad quality. It's not the type of photo that we can analyse. We can say these persos are europeans types (less you) If we analyse by this distance. Even your sister can pass for full european in a pic like this. But not in a pic like this. I know web cam and I'm still waiting new pics. Web cam deform a little, but don't alter races. Everyone look the man with black jacket. Came on.... Everytime I beat you and you came here and invent new untruths. Everything you say and show is suspect.
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