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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 7, 2005 20:14:43 GMT -5
Yeah, that is kind of funny. Submission will dominate the world!
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Post by ameen on Dec 7, 2005 20:15:56 GMT -5
How is that islam? do you even know what islam means? it means submission , submission to Allah, our creator Your creator not mine. Not "submission" rather submission to Allah ie islam(dominate the world) |
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Post by atlantis on Dec 7, 2005 20:24:36 GMT -5
The saudi royals arent arab descent, only through interrmarriage Is this Abdul again? ;D |
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Post by Drooperdoo on Dec 7, 2005 20:55:16 GMT -5
The propagandists of hate always crack me up. They show the lunatic fringe and try to sell it as the Muslim mainstream.
I can imagine what the Muslims are saying about Christians:
"Christians all have eight wives" [and they show a photo of Mormons].
"Christians are barbaric and against technology" [and they show a snapshot of the Amish]
"Christians are hate-filled and murderous" [and they show a photo of the Ku Klux Klan lynching a blackman*]
* Footnote: The KKK started as an offshoot of Freemasonry and Methodism. The famous burning-of-the-cross image in fact comes from Methodism, which used to burn the cross as a symbol that--even after fire--the cross survives.
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Post by Oldbrit on Dec 8, 2005 11:51:49 GMT -5
Muhammad introduced the worship of the God of Abraham, of Ishmael, of Moses, and Jesus No, Allah (originally Al Illah) was a moon god, the chief amongst the deities of pagan Mecca and connected with the mesopotamian deity IL. The Judaeo/Christian deity EL/Jah derives from the Canaanite thunder god like Zeus/Jupiter/Thor. Islam was an ignorant parody of the other two faiths not a descendant. |
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Post by Mazigh on Dec 8, 2005 13:13:44 GMT -5
As for the rest of Berbers, I do consider them as arabs becasue they claim to be arab, I don't want to insult them nor offend them by calling them "berbers". Who appointed you to speak in the name of the no-kabyle Imazighen!?. What if I accused kabyles of being the most french-wanna-be berber group; Would your react or not!?. hahaha, I'm Interested in the Opinion of Igu. |
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Post by Wadaad on Dec 8, 2005 14:17:08 GMT -5
Laudabilis, what do you think about Christianity!?. Do you think I should adhere to it!?.  I feel like I need to save my ass ... Personally, I'm atheist, but NO religion or superstition or even the most absurd beliefs, bothers me. You're free to believe in God, Krishna, Elohims, Spirits, or whatever you want, as long as you don't treaten the world's harmony and the freedom of the others. Islam just like Nazism, Communism, does not have a place in the modern world, and should not be tolerated. Wow what a ridicolous post, You initially wrote " but NO religion or superstition or even the most absurd beliefs, bothers me" only to follow it with "Islam just like Nazism, Communism, does not have a place in the modern world, and should not be tolerated." You're no atheist btw, just confused. Real atheists should have no bias to any specific system of belief about deity. Since almost faiths have that as the foundation of their worldview (including Islam), your anti-Islamic bias has another root besides atheism. Im almost positive you didnt have any clue about Islam before 2001 (I hate making all these assumptions about you man, but Im forced to it because of your irrational arguments) Thanks alot for being such an empty vessel, the media has worked its charms. Your ignorance about us is whats feeding the Muslim militants anyway, so once again thank you, Mr. catalyst |
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Post by Drooperdoo on Dec 8, 2005 14:38:59 GMT -5
I'm amused by the statement: The Arab god comes from a Mesopotamian deity named Il . . .
Then the person tries to draw a distinction between the Arab god and the Jewish god--once again dishonestly omitting the fact that in Hebrew the word for "god" is "El".
Hm. Let's see: Il, El . . .
Uh-huh.
A huge difference. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha
P.S.--I'm looking forward to his next post, when he denies the existence of Latin, and contends that the Italian and Spanish words for "water" [agua and acqua] aren't related, and it's just a coincidence that they sound alike.
It can't be any worse than his contention that "IL" and "EL" are totally unrelated.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 8, 2005 16:45:49 GMT -5
Droop, that poster was right stating the following mythological/liguistical correspondances: Ilah (=God, in Arabic)~Allah (Name of the God of Islam Faith, The appointing God of Mohamed)~El or Il (Major God in the Mesopotamian and Jewish Faiths).
These correspondances are well established and just reflects the connection relating the various Religions of the semitic peoples.
What I'm actually looking an explanation for is the connection he made between Indoeuropean and Semitic Mythologies when he stated: "The Judaeo/Christian deity EL/Jah derives from the Canaanite thunder god like Zeus/Jupiter/Thor."
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Post by Drooperdoo on Dec 8, 2005 22:11:30 GMT -5
Berter, I wasn't questioning his take on the history of regional gods in the Middle East, but the linguistics. It's not a coincidence that "Il" and "el" sound alike. They're both words from Semitic languages that mean "God". So don't get into the histories of gods. That's not what I was doing. I was just pointing out that one Semitic language had a word that was similar to another Semitic word for the same thing: Like how, in Spanish and Italian, "water" is agua and acqua respectively. So "El" just means "god"--and it means it in two dozen Semitic languages. As for Arab paganism and their "moon god," Mohammed himself fought that when he tried to impose monotheism. So no one "hides" that, as he implies. Everyone knows that. What most Jewish and Christian people don't know, however, is that "Jehovah" was just as pagan as the Arab moon deity. In fact, in museums in Israel one may find statues of Jehovah's wife. That's right! The Jews who claim to be monotheists actually weren't. The earliest representations of Jehovah have him with a celestial bride--much like Zeus had Hera. Here's a quote from the Israeli paper Ha'aretz: ""It will come as an unpleasant shock to many that the God of Israel, YHWH, had a female consort and that the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only in the waning period of the monarchy and not at Mount Sinai." October, 1999 Here's a picture of her:  In Karen Armstrong's History of God she talks about this earliest version of proto-Judaism. In it, Jehovah appears to have been a fertility-deity--hence why Jews cut off a piece of their penis. All throughout the Middle East, large phalluses stand in representation of this fertility cult. In fact, in the Bible--in Genesis--Jacob (after wrestling with "god") stands up a bunch of rocks into a phallus and "annoints it with oil". He then says that he will call the place "penuel," for today truly have I seen God. |
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Post by greatness on Dec 8, 2005 22:21:50 GMT -5
Drooperdoo is right. Jehovah started out as a pagan. So did Yahweh. So did Allah. And they are still pagan gods. I mean, yeah they all say there is only one god, yet this god is in the likeness of a man, and created the world, etc,etc. sounds like paganism to me, just with one god.
And christmas is of Pagan origins. It was placed on Dec. 25th, not to because of Christ, but rather to compete with the pagan holiday of Yultide.
And yes Islam is dangerous religion, look what it did to my country, from greatest, Persian empire on earth to total collapse.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 8, 2005 22:34:06 GMT -5
YHVH/Jehovah/Yahweh are the same thing.
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Post by Oldbrit on Dec 9, 2005 9:18:19 GMT -5
No, Allah (originally Al Illah) was a moon god, the chief amongst the deities of pagan Mecca and connected with the mesopotamian deity IL. The Judaeo/Christian deity EL/Jah derives from the Canaanite thunder god like Zeus/Jupiter/Thor. Then the person tries to draw a distinction between the Arab god and the Jewish god--once again dishonestly omitting the fact that in Hebrew the word for "god" is "El". Hm. Let's see: Il, El . . . P.S.--I'm looking forward to his next post, when he denies the existence of Latin, and contends that the Italian and Spanish words for "water" [agua and acqua] aren't related, and it's just a coincidence that they sound alike. It can't be any worse than his contention that "IL" and "EL" are totally unrelated. Reread my post f*ckwit. If you knew anything about IE philology you'd know that superficial similarities are just that - sh-b (Phoen), semph (Etrus), septem (Lat), zazpt (Basq) all words for seven, but not related according to the late Larry Trask of askalinguist.co, but wheel = chakra, Punjab = Quinque Aquae (not at all obvious). I If you knew anything about comparative mythology you'd know that moon deities (IL, Artemis, Diana etc.) -Monday/Lundi - differ from fertility deities (Ishtar, Aphrodite, Venus, Freya) - Friday/Vendredi - and thunder deities (EL/Jah, Zeus, Jupiter/Jove, Thor/Thunr) - Thursday/Jeudi. Do you know what day of the week it is? Do you know anything factual at all? I studied Latin at my school (long time ago, but it still helps me solve the Times crossword in 10 minutes) and have an exam certificate to prove it. What have you got? And I'm well aware of the polytheistic history of the Canaanite/Israelite religions. El spouse of Ishtar/Astarte/Ashtoreth both parents of Ba'al. A large chunk of the OT is about the conflict between the northern Israelites, who still clung to the old ways, and the southern Jehudim, worshippers of Jehoueh - IHVH - alone. According to here www.askwhy.co.uk/judaism/it was the Zoroastrian Persians who put the Jehud up to it after liberating them from Babylon. No, I'm not Jewish, although I have a 3*great granddad Isaac Mazengarb in my maternal line, and although baptized I've long been a revert to Heathenism, and as an ancient Prithin I'm not descended from any lost tribes of Israel (means seed of EL). Nearly all ancient deities are elemental (sun, rain etc.) in origin, regardless of whichever linguistic group their worshippers belonged to at the time, so why should there be anything odd about comparing the panthea of different societies - that's what comparative mythology means - duh. |
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Post by Drooperdoo on Dec 9, 2005 16:13:00 GMT -5
No, what you're doing is dishonest: You want us to assume that Judaism and Christianity were some lofty Aristotelean religions, while implying that Islam is a religion of savages.
The truth is: Islam is totally in line with Judaism. Neither were about abstract noble conceptions of God [as the Greeks evolved]. The Jewish god--Jehovah of Armies--was a jealous, petty, blood-thirsty tribal deity.
He called for blood sacrifice and child-murder in earliest proto-Judaism.
So peddle your propaganda to a less-educated audience, one that will fall for your embarrassing attempt to retroactively Hellenize Judaism, while calling hypocritically for keen scrutiny of Islam.
If you want us to judge Islam by that standard, then it's only fair to judge Judaism and Christianity by the same standard. But you don't want that--because none of these religions bear scrutiny. And that's what exposes you for what you are: a propagandist and a nakedly-obvious hate-monger.
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Post by Educate Me on Dec 9, 2005 16:17:34 GMT -5
if I recall correctly, jehova/yahweh of armies actually means, of the celestial heavenly armies, angels, not earth armies made of soldiers.
Probably the jews know better
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