Islam, a psychopathic and dangerous religion.

[Drooperdoo]

It was in Islam's interests to be "tolerant"--just as it was in Rome's interests.
Any expansionist movement must be broad enough to absorb all the customs and beliefs of the pre-existing societies that they plan to conquer.
Look at early Christianity: They adopted all sorts of "pagan" symbols and dates [like December 25th] in order to better absorb those groups they intended to take over.

I think that's the one thing that separates Christianity and Islam from Judaism. Judaism was never expansionist--and because of that had no interest in putting forth a false-front of tolerance. Judaism was exclusive and ethnicity-based, whereas Christianity and Islam made appeals to every race of man.
I've always thought that the phrase "our common Judeo-Christian" culture was misplaced, since the West and Western values have so little in common with Judaism. Christianity is far closer to Islam.

[Siafu X]

Drooperdoo really does bring up a good point that judaism is more ethnicity based and non-expansionist unlike Christianity and Islam

[dukeofpain]

drooperdoo said:

It was in Islam's interests to be "tolerant"--just as it was in Rome's interests.
Any expansionist movement must be broad enough to absorb all the customs and beliefs of the pre-existing societies that they plan to conquer.
Look at early Christianity: They adopted all sorts of "pagan" symbols and dates [like December 25th] in order to better absorb those groups they intended to take over.

I think that's the one thing that separates Christianity and Islam from Judaism. Judaism was never expansionist--and because of that had no interest in putting forth a false-front of tolerance. Judaism was exclusive and ethnicity-based, whereas Christianity and Islam made appeals to every race of man.
I've always thought that the phrase "our common Judeo-Christian" culture was misplaced, since the West and Western values have so little in common with Judaism. Christianity is far closer to Islam.

But don't you see that outward "tolerance" is also in their interest. The thing about Islam and Christianity is that because they consist of such extreme views-- views that are contrary to the values that man had inculcated for eons of evolution-- as a result the followers of the religion breach the tenants all to often. Whether it be (tolerant) Muslims kicking Christians out of Jerusalem, or (compassionate) Christians spreading their religion through brutality, or like so many Christians of today, reverting to the Torah to justify their un-Christian beliefs. The jews reason is much different. Because you're right that Judaism was never expansionist, it was a manifestation of Jewishness, therefore not for export. The things that was expansionist was the Jewish group, more precisely Jewish power. So you have hoax organizations like the ADL claiming they're "anti-defamation" and pro-tolerance, when in reality they are nothing more than a pro-Jewish organization that specializes in defamation and only uses "tolerance" as a guise in accomplishing their ultimately judeocentric goals. For example after the ADL caught wind of the SA ANC party being sympathetic to Palestinians, the ADL up and switched sides in support of apartheid and even spied on the black freedom movement.

So basically Christian and Muslim tolerance, compassion, etc., come from the religions and the cynical expansionist agenda of the religions themselves, whereas the breaches i.e., intolerance and misgivings, come from their own alienated human character. Jewish outward tolerance and wholesomeness comes not from the cynical agenda of Judaism, but that of the Jewish group, as seen by the fact that jewish martyrdom doesn't really exist, and if it does it's wholly unlike that of the previous two religions . As for Jewish breaches of tolerance and wholesomeness, they don't exist! or if they do jews certainly aren't gonna acknowledge ever having done anything contrary to these values. If Abe Foxman wrote a book detailing wrongs committed by the Jewish group, I wonder how long it would be? I'm sure for Europeans it would be encyclopedic.

[Tautalos]

The «tolerance» of Islam is a sheer lie. Islam «tolerates» Christianity and Judaism because both Judaism and Christianity are seen as ancestors of Islam, yet inferior to it.

Meanwhile, Islam considers that worshipping other Gods is one of the worst sins, if not the worst (it's «shirk»). As a result, millions of Hindus were murdered and thousands of Hindu temples were destroyed.

[greatness]

IMO Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are psychopathic and dangerous.

[joyfar]

i didn't bother to read this entire thread - it was far too long - but as a Muslim - its really upsetting to read that so many people hate me and my religion on the basis of fundamentalists.

i mean ALL religions have blood on their hands, all religions have extremist views and ALL religions in their "orthodox" forms subdue the role of women. These qualities are not distinct to Islam.

Personally I've never ever been taught growing up to "hate" other religions or people just because they aren't Muslim. I was never told that people who aren't Muslims are going to hell.

In the end all religions are corrupted by the desires of humans - texts and interpretations are all shaped to promote certain agendas.

And I can tell you those pictures and sub groups of Muslims in Europe who promote the Islamicization of Europe are in teh extremely small minority. No one ever posts about the Muslims (who are the majority) who are integrated into their communities, and enjoy that the government is secular.

I don't wear the headscarf - and that's my choice - my father who is extremely religious has never forced me. I have a couple of relatives who do wear the scarf and these women do so by their own choice - its their personal religious beliefs. The "headscarf" isn't only for Muslims as well - look at Christian Nuns - they cover their hair, and orthodox Jewish females must also cover their hair as well.

Anyways the entire point of post if you manage to read it - was that just because the popular image of Islam is all "evil" doesn't mean it is. No more then any other religion out there.

[dukeofpain]

joyfar said:

In the end all religions are corrupted by the desires of humans

Other way around. Human desire is corrupted by religions.