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Post by erudite on Jun 12, 2005 4:05:20 GMT -5
Is it because the U.S. is the most dominant nation in the world, a status that no country in Europe could ever have?
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Post by mike2 on Jun 12, 2005 4:07:31 GMT -5
They are jealous of our unlimited power!
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Post by erudite on Jun 12, 2005 4:11:01 GMT -5
They are jealous of our unlimited power! To me its more or less a refusal of Europeans to realise U.S. superioity in the world. Europe depends on the U.S. but the U.S. can act unilaterally on some issues without European help.
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Post by erudite on Jun 12, 2005 4:13:56 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, we have flaws such as the race problem and a flawed health care system, but people are much better off here as opposed to any country in Europe.
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Post by Wadaad on Jun 12, 2005 4:14:06 GMT -5
just because something is superior doesnt mean it shouldnt be bashed. You as an African American should be the last person questioning why anyone would have qualms with the USA as if its a perfect nation
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Post by erudite on Jun 12, 2005 4:15:39 GMT -5
just because something is superior doesnt mean it shouldnt be bashed. You as an African American should be the last person questioning why anyone would have qualms with the USA as if its a perfect nation I didn't say its perfect and I acknowledged the flaws that are here. But overall the U.S. is the most dominant country in the world. That can be a positive and negative at the same time.
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Post by erudite on Jun 12, 2005 4:22:18 GMT -5
I believe Europeans here bash Americans because the US is everything Europe *USED TO BE* in terms of power and influence and Europeans could never return to that role. Not even the EU is as poweful as the US.
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Post by Igu on Jun 12, 2005 4:24:52 GMT -5
Although I'm pro-american, I still can understand why americans are seen with contempt:
-USA rule the world, and a ruler is expected to be civilized, Americans are not a good example of civilization.
-In other words, you don't deserve to be a super power, which I agree with, you were lucky to have 2 world wars.
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Post by erudite on Jun 12, 2005 4:30:11 GMT -5
Although I'm pro-american, I still can understand why americans are seen with contempt: -USA rule the world, and a ruler is expected to be civilized, Americans are not a good example of civilization. How are Americans *NOT* a good example? No one nation is perfect. On domestic issues we have, but on foreign policy, excpet for Iraq I'm very moderate. I don't support the Iraqi war but I do think bin Laden needs to be captured.
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jun 12, 2005 5:56:31 GMT -5
Get real and stop being a bunch of wooses. I did not know that paranoid schizophrenia is an American invention. How about changing the patent. It is getting very old and very stale. How about founding your own board and indulge in your mind wanking to your hearts content. And how about relying on your own efforts and civilization and stop taking other peoples as your own. Plagiarism, another American invention. By the way, my old parents have had to leave their home in Washington State and move to Canada because it is safer, has better medical care and pharmaceutical benefits for old people. Just consider this, in fifty years time, you'll all be speaking Spanish and playing in marachi bands.
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Post by amksa on Jun 12, 2005 6:31:30 GMT -5
Although I'm pro-american, I still can understand why americans are seen with contempt: -USA rule the world, and a ruler is expected to be civilized, Americans are not a good example of civilization. How are Americans *NOT* a good example? No one nation is perfect. let me translate what Igu meant : he didn't complain about the fact that USA rules the world, he just complained about the fact that in spite of the leadership of USA, Americans are still a bunch of idiot, over-devout and ignorant people, judging from what any European or non European can read in Forum such this one, etc. it always seems to me that American have an uninteresting mentality and view of world, but that don't mean that you aren't good people though, or that your civilisation isn't interesting : i thaks americans for all the science fiction tv show ! one must separates the group, culture and individuals.
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Post by nockwasright on Jun 12, 2005 8:15:54 GMT -5
Is it because the U.S. is the most dominant nation in the world, a status that no country in Europe could ever have? Yes, I think the most important reasons behind the bashing ar envy, impotence and pettiness. Mind however that the euros "usabashers" are at the same time the greatest simphatysers with the AfroAmerican community. The perfect European usabasher is a left leaning fellow who hates everything american unless it comes from a minority, in which case he loves it. To picture him think Michael Moore. Ah, this just in: many countries in Europe have enjoyed the status of world superpower in the past so your first statement is quite incorrect.
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Post by erudite on Jun 12, 2005 8:20:24 GMT -5
Is it because the U.S. is the most dominant nation in the world, a status that no country in Europe could ever have? Yes, I think the most important reasons behind the bashing ar envy, impotence and pettiness. Mind however that the euros "usabashers" are at the same time the greatest simphatysers with the AfroAmerican community. The perfect European usabasher is a left leaning fellow who hates everything american unless it comes from a minority, in which case he loves it. To picture him think Michael Moore. Ah, this just in: many countries in Europe have enjoyed the status of world superpower in the past so your first statement is quite incorrect. I acknowledge that in the past Europe *WAS* dominant, but it will *NEVER* be that way again. Thats why Europeans in here bash Americans because they're jealous that a non-European country dominates the world.
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Post by erudite on Jun 12, 2005 10:23:03 GMT -5
Get real and stop being a bunch of wooses. I did not know that paranoid schizophrenia is an American invention. How about changing the patent. It is getting very old and very stale. How about founding your own board and indulge in your mind wanking to your hearts content. And how about relying on your own efforts and civilization and stop taking other peoples as your own. Plagiarism, another American invention. By the way, my old parents have had to leave their home in Washington State and move to Canada because it is safer, has better medical care and pharmaceutical benefits for old people. Just consider this, in fifty years time, you'll all be speaking Spanish and playing in marachi bands. What you are talking about? Is it American superiority that you envy? Americans of *ALL* backgrounds are innovators not plagiarists. Failing to acknowledge the good that Americans do is denial.
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Post by nockwasright on Jun 12, 2005 13:05:05 GMT -5
I acknowledge that in the past Europe *WAS* dominant, but it will *NEVER* be that way again. Thats why Europeans in here bash Americans because they're jealous that a non-European country dominates the world. It's quite hard to foresee future. I don't see how can you be sure of what you say. In world history, until now, there is only a culture which achieved word domination, and it is the European one. The USA who are dominating the world now are strictly the product of the ex European English speaking ruling class that shaped the country giving it a literature, a legal system, a political system, an economic system and a group of common values. The USA are faring well because they are an European nation, that didn't host two World Wars. Notwithstanding all the "we are a state we stand to each other and blah blah" propaganda they make at the WSJ or NR, an Englishman is still closer to a WASP than you, IMO (for cultural, not racial reasons). What will decide the race between USA and Europe in the long run is which "country" will be able to save for a longer time its "culturally European" core values (rule of law; scientific system; democracy; secular state etc.), unless something better emerges somewhere, but at present there is nothing to be seen. In Europe there are still hundred millions Slavs, who are as learned and skilled as Western European and share their core values, who have been kept out of play by the nice trick Marx played them. Remember that until few years ago Russia alone was as big a power as USA. Plus, its only few years that Germany became again an united nation. There are now 80 million Germans united in the core of Europe. Do you know the rate of literacy, civility, and various skills of Germans? The human potential, that is the only potential there is, in Europe is immense and absolutely unmatchable by the USA (I do not intend racially of course, but in terms of already skilled and learned persons and families). So if I were you I would not be so sure.
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