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Post by alexandrian on Mar 11, 2005 22:03:27 GMT -5
Seriously now- why are black people so obsessed with Egypt, ancient Egypt especially? Every racial forum has tons of Egypt threads that end up being the most used threads. I mean the Black History thread has already gone way beyond 300 posts, 20 pages, and 4000 views. It's kind of flattering, but at the same time frustrating. Flattering because it's nice to know that other people are so impresses by ancient Egypt, they will go to any lengths to claim it. And frustrating because it is sad and pathetic.
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Post by santana on Mar 11, 2005 23:38:35 GMT -5
its also insulting because WE ARE EGYPTIANS NOT THEM ..and so when they try to claim our countrys heritage and we are not black then what the hell are we..invaders... nice that is soooo polite... i am egyptiana and the best person to ask what egyptians are are other egyptians.. dont ask an american or swedish guy ask AN EGYPTIAN....
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Post by Minstrel on Mar 11, 2005 23:46:38 GMT -5
Hmmm, to be fair I've always wondered about that to be fair. I think it springs from two main factors:
1) Egypt was in africa, close to nubia (sudan) and some evidence has shown a relatively significant "black" population there, especially in the south, so they see it as grounds to claim the whole civilzation.
2)There is'nt a wealth of archeological interest in other parts of africa besides egypt, so egypt because of it's proximitiy and attention on the world stage, fall prey to afrocentric types looking for some major history to claim.
Really, to be honest, there is'nt much of a need for blacks to "claim" egypt if they had to. There is a wealth of sub-saharan civilzations (such as loango) to explore and nubia lasted even longer than egypt did. I think too much scholarly interest and energy (on the afrocentrists and regular scientists part) is spent on egypt.
Dont get me wrong egypt was a great civilization, there's just more to africa than that.
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Post by santana on Mar 11, 2005 23:52:53 GMT -5
totally agree i am sure there is alot more to Africa then ppl think.. but its different when (especially) that i dont look black..that ppl tell me that i am denying my heritage as a black person... its saying in other words that i am not a pure egyptian.. many ppl on this board totally ignore the fact that me and alexandrian are egyptians and that we are not obsessed with white or caucasoid people.. we are egyptians and we want to tell them.. (not the other way around) abotu who we are...
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Post by mike2 on Mar 12, 2005 0:34:42 GMT -5
Simple. Egypt is claimed because it's in Africa and because it's important. It's as simple as that. If it was in Asia or if it wasn't important nobody would touch it. Somehow the very name "Africa" over the years has become associated with black folk (it was originally a Roman designation of a small Berber or Carthaginian province, ironically enough). The people who want Egypt to be black might as well say the Hebrews were black, too. They were depicted much like the Egyptians depicted themselves. And let's not forget the Carthaginians or the Moors-- the great black civilizations! Please. Anything in Africa automatically must be black or it is most certainly foreign, right? What folly. I think it demeans the value of true black African civilizations like Mali, Kongo, and Songhai. Civilizations I believe are wrongly overlooked, overshadowed by a distant Egypt that has little at all to do with black Africa outside of the Nubian realm. That's my opinion, anyway. I am in agreement with Minstel.
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Post by Minstrel on Mar 12, 2005 1:24:02 GMT -5
Hmmm, moors are actually a little questionable, (carthage no) racially speaking. They were probably great numbers of black african mercenaries and slave-soldiers in the moorish army. Also there is a depiction of what look like black moors playing boardgames with servants in the background.
But overall probably not, mostly of berber and arab extraction.
en the christians finally whooped muslim butt and kicked them out of spain and europe.
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 12, 2005 1:42:09 GMT -5
It is sad, I think it clear result of the fact that their heritage was stolen away their little the can point to and say that is our history, I think its allso the result of unscrupolous people like richard poe trying to make buck by selling egypt heritage, to a people with no heritage. Its also a result of the ridiculous american one drop rule.
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Post by Minstrel on Mar 12, 2005 11:23:47 GMT -5
It is sad, I think it clear result of the fact that their heritage was stolen away their little the can point to and say that is our history, I think its allso the result of unscrupolous people like richard poe trying to make buck by selling egypt heritage, to a people with no heritage. Its also a result of the ridiculous american one drop rule. Hmm, I would'nt go so far as to say african-americans have no heritage. They have the harlem renaissance, tons of music styles, a very popular modern culture, and many un-concious thinks brought over from africa (such as church "call and response" practices). Not to mention plenty of ancestral heritage in west and central africa. It is unfortunate that most of it was lost though. I do believe at first african-american slaves were allowed to practive their native customs and religions but it was later outlawed because of the threat it posed to the institution (slave revolts based upon "revelations" and african priests etc such as in haiti) As for poe. I think he is a fairly honest man, don't make potshots on him, he seems like a complex individual. He is a jewish-hispanic conservative (who hates hilary clinton), it does'nt seem as if he would have any particular axe to grind. And it was'nt for money because african-americans on average (the demographic that would likely read the books) don't really read that much, his book would'nt sell a whole lot and he knew that going into it.
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Post by topdog on Mar 12, 2005 11:35:31 GMT -5
It is sad, I think it clear result of the fact that their heritage was stolen away their little the can point to and say that is our history, I think its allso the result of unscrupolous people like richard poe trying to make buck by selling egypt heritage, to a people with no heritage. Its also a result of the ridiculous american one drop rule. We can say likewise for North Africans acting like southern Europeans. African-Americans do have a heritage, you clearly mistaken to say they have very little. Meanwhile, Arabs in modern day Egypt have just as much claim to ancient Egypt as African-Americans do.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 12, 2005 12:10:21 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Arabs in modern day Egypt have just as much claim to ancient Egypt as African-Americans do. That is pure, unadulterated bullshit. African-Americans are originally from West Africa, very far removed from any semblance of ancient Egypt. There was ZERO interaction between ancient Egyptians and West Africans. In fact, I believe the first West African to visit Egypt was probably Mansa Musa who visited during the Islamic period. Nevermind that every survey conducted on the Eygptian peoplel has shown a strong link between them and their ancient counterparts, and has shown that although Egyptians are strongly related to ARabs, the Arabic influence during the invasion was not strong. Face it buddy, you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO claim to anything remotely related to ancient Egypt.
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Post by b199er on Mar 12, 2005 12:21:28 GMT -5
That is pure, unadulterated bullshit. African-Americans are originally from West Africa, very far removed from any semblance of ancient Egypt. There was ZERO interaction between ancient Egyptians and West Africans. In fact, I believe the first West African to visit Egypt was probably Mansa Musa who visited during the Islamic period. Nevermind that every survey conducted on the Eygptian peoplel has shown a strong link between them and their ancient counterparts, and has shown that although Egyptians are strongly related to ARabs, the Arabic influence during the invasion was not strong. Face it buddy, you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO claim to anything remotely related to ancient Egypt. Alexandrian your just a troll,ancient egyptians and western africans were the same people.they were both africa,both black and they both spoke the same language.you are just an mullato whos grandmother was rapped by muslem arabs.the percentage of african blood you have is probably 5%,west africans are 100% african,we african americans have more right to claim egyptian heritage than you and your mullatoyd country ever will.handle it camel jockey
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Post by Minstrel on Mar 12, 2005 12:26:00 GMT -5
Actually, technically, when you think about it, SSA's can in a way claim all civilizations, seeing as we are all the descendants of migrant africans. dsc.discovery.com/convergence/realeve/realeve.htmlMiddle easterners and west asians are'nt exactly melanesians to africans either (especially in yemen). They are very closely related by geneflow and recent migratory patterns. ![](http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/realeve/face/gallery/eve_head1_vzoom.jpg) Reconstructed face of woman from 100,000 years ago
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 12, 2005 13:00:02 GMT -5
Alexandrian your just a troll,ancient egyptians and western africans were the same people.they were both africa,both black and they both spoke the same language.you are just an mullato whos grandmother was rapped by muslem arabs.the percentage of african blood you have is probably 5%,west africans are 100% african,we african americans have more right to claim egyptian heritage than you and your mullatoyd country ever will.handle it camel jockey HAHAHAHA How are West Africans and Ancient Egyptians the same people when they NEVER EVEN SAW EACH OTHER??? They didn't speak the same language. ANd the Egyptians certainly were not black. If they were as black as Negroids than why did they differentiate themselves so strongly from Nubians? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Answer that first. Genetic Studies have confirmed that Ancient Egyptians are related to modern eGyptians wehreas no genetic study has even mentioned a remote connection between West Africans and ancient Egyptians. Finally, I doubt I even have 5% black blood.
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Post by KLI on Mar 12, 2005 13:00:06 GMT -5
The obsession of Ancient Egypt was started by Nordicists who could not understand how a non-white civilization could reach such glory. Afrocentrism is just the black by product of nordicentrism. I notice African Americans inspite of really hating their white masters, they sure loved emulating them when they get in positions of power, scientific knowledge and wealth.
Case in point, afrocentrism...as an answer to their hated adversaries they created afrocentrism...ie the same crzy extreme premise, just the complete opposite direction. But they dont realise that by using the same methods as them, they are still in a master-slave position.
Now, as for real science, Alexandrian...either extremes will use half truths to further their agenda so we all have to look at the bigger picture. NO WAY ANCIENT EGYPT HAD 0% SUB SAHARA AFRICAN INFLUENCE. That just does not make sense, and your claim for that isjust as crazy and dumb as your adversaries
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Post by KLI on Mar 12, 2005 13:05:10 GMT -5
Also, looking at Egypt's geography there is no way it is just a ''med'' country full of atlanto mediteraneans or whatever LOL. Its right in the junction of the three old world continents, so its going to get significant (but in varying % ) geneflow from all 3 continents.
Egypt is basically filled with Mutts, its Brazil thousands of years into the future
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