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Post by alexandrian on Mar 12, 2005 13:16:23 GMT -5
Also, looking at Egypt's geography there is no way it is just a ''med'' country full of atlanto mediteraneans or whatever LOL. Its right in the junction of the three old world continents, so its going to get significant (but in varying % ) geneflow from all 3 continents. Egypt is basically filled with Mutts, its Brazil thousands of years into the future How is it filled with mutts, if a survey confucted on Y-chromosomes, that even included Nubia found only 1/8 sub-Saharan input. That would be even less had they replaced Nubia with an actual egyptian source. To be mullato, you need to be at least 35% black. I'm not saying there was 0% sub-Saharan influence, but to say it was 100% sub-Saharan or even 50% sub-Saharan is idiotic to the extreme. Also, if you consider Caucasian to be white, then the ancient egyptians were indeed "white". INdians are much darker than your average Egyptian, yet they're considered "white".
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Post by KLI on Mar 12, 2005 13:23:37 GMT -5
How is it filled with mutts, if a survey confucted on Y-chromosomes, that even included Nubia found only 1/8 sub-Saharan input. That would be even less had they replaced Nubia with an actual egyptian source. To be mullato, you need to be at least 35% black. I'm not saying there was 0% sub-Saharan influence, but to say it was 100% sub-Saharan or even 50% sub-Saharan is idiotic to the extreme. Also, if you consider Caucasian to be white, then the ancient egyptians were indeed "white". INdians are much darker than your average Egyptian, yet they're considered "white". 1/8 eh? well, thats alot ;D I never said AE's were mulattoes...i said Egyptians are mutts of mixed races...they are not pure unmixed semitic like say an Emirates bedouin from the Rub Al Khali. Egyptians are mixed with tons of nationalities. The place has been invaded by every race mayne, dont deny that. I will never consider an Egyptian or an Indian white, im sorry...they are brown folks
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Post by Minstrel on Mar 12, 2005 13:30:55 GMT -5
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Post by topdog on Mar 12, 2005 13:31:55 GMT -5
How is it filled with mutts, if a survey confucted on Y-chromosomes, that even included Nubia found only 1/8 sub-Saharan input. That would be even less had they replaced Nubia with an actual egyptian source. To be mullato, you need to be at least 35% black. I'm not saying there was 0% sub-Saharan influence, but to say it was 100% sub-Saharan or even 50% sub-Saharan is idiotic to the extreme. Also, if you consider Caucasian to be white, then the ancient egyptians were indeed "white". INdians are much darker than your average Egyptian, yet they're considered "white". Sorry, but dark Indians aren't considered as white and Caucasoid doesn't equal white necessarily.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 12, 2005 13:32:22 GMT -5
I never said AE's were mulattoes...i said Egyptians are mutts of mixed races...they are not pure unmixed semitic like say an Emirates bedouin from the Rub Al Khali. Egyptians are mixed with tons of nationalities. The place has been invaded by every race mayne, dont deny that. That could make sense I suppose. I wouldn't be surprised if Egypt turns out to have the most diverse and heterogenous native population. I guess the thing that would be detabatable would the amount of influx from all the different nationalities ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I will never consider an Egyptian or an Indian white, im sorry...they are brown folks Again, it depends on someone's definitons. A lot of Americans are surprised to find out that ARabs/Middle Easterners/North Africans are technically white. They just seem them as dark-skinned, big-nosed, terrorists with very foreign cultures. I honestly don't mind when people group Egyptians/Arabians/North Africans/Middle Easterners/south Asians/Hispanics into some sort of brown race in the middle fo things. However, it's not like all Egyptians or North Africans or Arabs are brown, quite a few are very light-skinned.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 12, 2005 13:33:18 GMT -5
Sorry, but dark Indians aren't considered as white and Caucasoid doesn't equal white necessarily. Caucasoid doesn't equal white in a social construct. However, all whites are Caucasoid.
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Post by topdog on Mar 12, 2005 13:37:48 GMT -5
Again, it depends on someone's definitons. A lot of Americans are surprised to find out that ARabs/Middle Easterners/North Africans are technically white. They aren't white technically, on paper it says so according to the U.S. government, but no white American would ever conclude that North Africans and Middle Easterners are white people. Some white Americans call Middle Easterners 'sand niggers'(!)
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Post by topdog on Mar 12, 2005 13:39:19 GMT -5
Caucasoid doesn't equal white in a social construct. However, all whites are Caucasoid. Caucasoid refers to a skeletal entity, white does not.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 12, 2005 13:40:24 GMT -5
They aren't white technically, on paper it says so according to the U.S. government, but no white American would ever conclude that North Africans and Middle Easterners are white people. Some white Americans call Middle Easterners 'sand niggers'(!) I know quite a few White Americans who consider me and some other Egyptians white. Lebanese and Syrians are often considered white as well. I think that in a social context, white is different from Caucasian. Some people don't even consider Spaniards, Greeks, Italians, or Turks "white"! It honestly doesn't make a difference to me whether WASPs consider Middle Easterners white. Middle Easterners have a lot to be proud of on our own and we don't need to attach ourselves to some European label to be proud of our accomplishments.
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Post by santana on Mar 12, 2005 13:49:16 GMT -5
again ill say that my uncle is a DNA specialist and anthropologist and he said that yes there is a small influence of SSA in egyptian blood but it is too insignificant to start saying that SSA and Egyptians were the same ppl.. secondly.. Egypt was the most powerful country at one point so other countries were influenced by Egypt not the other way around..thirdly, egyptians have more in common with southern europeans and asians then the rest of Africa because of Egypts geographical location which allowed it to develop without the influence of other African countries... They are not WHITE noone is saying they are white.. they are mediterranean peoples... dont go showing me picture of negroid looking egyptians because they were not pure egyptians just like how i will not show pictures of WHITE WHITE obviously mixed egyptians (greek etc.) they were neither white or black they were mediterranean and i am egyptian.. again experiments have been done with hundreds of Egyptians.. many of them did not have any SSA blood in them..
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 12, 2005 13:54:37 GMT -5
I can very easily turn this into a picture war to prove my point
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Post by santana on Mar 12, 2005 14:00:32 GMT -5
this is ridiculous.. these ppl with no anthropological learning or degrees are just talking out of their asses about Egyptians..
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Post by santana on Mar 12, 2005 14:01:19 GMT -5
However i do agree with Mujahid that there was negroid influence in Egypt..he is right...
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Post by KLI on Mar 12, 2005 14:11:06 GMT -5
However i do agree with Mujahid that there was negroid influence in Egypt..he is right... yeah man, see the problem we have with looking at Egypt's racial construct is basically that we are looking at it from moidern (some here American) definition of race. TBH if a modern day American saw a group of Ancient Egyptians walking down the street the most likely description for them would be "Hispanics" lol. The Ancient egyptians never considered themselves white, negro, med or any of that...they considered themselves Egyptians, period. I get saddened when I see people like Alexandrian whoo grew up in the US, and then tries to use the dividing and peculiar American system of black/white to discount Sub Saharan Africanadmixture in Egypt. get over it alexandrian, its there...no one said Egypt is a negro kingdom Also alot of people have agendas (whitewashers blackwashers, etc) to portray Egypt in their own image. This is obviously due to AE's magnificence everyone will try to claim it. look at it as a by product of AE's success, egyptians should be proud they are given so much attention. its better than being ignored like those Ancient Libyans lol
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Post by topdog on Mar 12, 2005 14:15:14 GMT -5
this is ridiculous.. these ppl with no anthropological learning or degrees are just talking out of their asses about Egyptians.. Why are you talking and where are those studies your uncle conducted?
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