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Post by k5125 on Feb 14, 2005 12:45:41 GMT -5
Movies like Troy with Brad Pitt, etc?
I can't think of one movie whether theatrical, or made for TV that has portayed greeks as what they are...a dark mediterranean people.
They always make Greek women in movies have golden hair, its ridiculous.
Anyone else notice this?
It doesn't really anger me or anything, cuz it doesn't matter. But its just so silly.
Greek people generally look like other meds like Spaniards, Sicilians, etc. Some of them even look semitic.
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Post by Human on Feb 14, 2005 16:56:48 GMT -5
this is a good question. in my view, it shows the difficulty in understanding northern europeans only recently got properly civilized.
if northern european types arent place in Greece or Roman historical types, they would be out of place in any other historical major event before that.
then it kind of aleviates it.
anyway, there are Greek blonds, many. the preference for them is the problematic thing.
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Post by jojoscircus on Feb 14, 2005 20:44:16 GMT -5
Some ethnic groups actually get insulted when their people are shown 'too dark' . Then they say that this is just a 'stereotype' and that there are lots and lots of blonde Italians/Spaniards/Greeks/whatever running about. Then of course they go on to tell you about how their mother has the greenest eyes or their brother was always so blonde.
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Post by hansel on Feb 14, 2005 21:04:54 GMT -5
well greeks should be depicted like they are not too dark (north africa/middle east) , not too fair (scandinavia,english)
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Post by k5125 on Feb 14, 2005 21:09:45 GMT -5
well greeks should be depicted like they are not too dark (north africa/middle east) , not too fair (scandinavia,english) I think Greeks look very mid eastern. John Stamos is a good example, so is George Corraface (spelling), not to mention George Michael. These guys could pass as Iranian any day.
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 14, 2005 21:11:40 GMT -5
I think Greeks look very mid eastern. John Stamos is a good example, so is George Corraface (spelling), not to mention George Michael. These guys could pass as Iranian any day. true
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Post by buddyrydell on Feb 14, 2005 22:49:57 GMT -5
I think Greeks look very mid eastern. John Stamos is a good example, so is George Corraface (spelling), not to mention George Michael. These guys could pass as Iranian any day. I'd say a number of Greeks look like light-skinned Middle Easterners (i.e. Turks/Syrians/Lebanese). Southeastern Europe and the Near East show overlap in physical type, so some Greeks could be included in this. The average Greek is certainly fairer than the average Turk or Syrian, though many Greeks could "pass" for those ethnicities as well. So I don't think Greeks look "very" Middle Eastern, they just share the pan-Mediterranean look that some Middle Easterners also have, though imo, Greeks are phenotypically closest to southern Italians and western Turks. I certainly do agree that ancient Greeks are too often portrayed as overly northern European-looking, and the same has also been true of depictions of ancient Romans in film.
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 14, 2005 23:22:14 GMT -5
Speaking of Hollywood. Does it have a middle line? It portrays Greeks as being blond (Alexander, Troy) and Persians as being black (Alexander). Do they have no common sense? Have they heard of Mediterraneans? Why don't they have Middle Easterners playing ancient Middle Eastern peoples (Egyptians, Hannibal, Persians, Hebrews, Jesus) and Mediterranean actors playing Greeks and Romans. Is it really that hard to find good actors of the above-stated origins?
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Post by ginojda on Feb 14, 2005 23:46:49 GMT -5
Some ethnic groups actually get insulted when their people are shown 'too dark' . Then they say that this is just a 'stereotype' and that there are lots and lots of blonde Italians/Spaniards/Greeks/whatever running about. Then of course they go on to tell you about how their mother has the greenest eyes or their brother was always so blonde. Greeks are probably the darkest of all the southern European countries(the main 3 known one's). Not in dark olive skin but in hair and eye colour frequencies. Spaniards and Italians are not as dark as people want them to be. Most of them have the same coloring as Central Europeans. The dark types of Italians and Spaniards seem to be overpresented in the media because that's what people want to see. Though the dark types are more numerous in southern europe than in the north or central, they still don't make the majority in their native countries. In my opinion at least. There's nothing wrong with being a Darker caucasoid. Heck, I wish I was darker like some southern europeans because I can't even tan that well. ![:-[](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png)
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Post by ginojda on Feb 15, 2005 0:05:57 GMT -5
Speaking of Hollywood. Does it have a middle line? It portrays Greeks as being blond (Alexander, Troy) and Persians as being black (Alexander). Do they have no common sense? Have they heard of Mediterraneans? Why don't they have Middle Easterners playing ancient Middle Eastern peoples (Egyptians, Hannibal, Persians, Hebrews, Jesus) and Mediterranean actors playing Greeks and Romans. Is it really that hard to find good actors of the above-stated origins? I know dude. Brad Pitt would make a very good Viking warrior if they were making a Viking movie but some actors are not fit to play some roles. Meds seem to be a very hated people in Hollywood for reasons unknown. Even blacks seem to be more liked than meds in Hollywood. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) What you guys do to recieve this treatment? The only work meds seem to get in Hollywood nowadays is to play white Latinos or Sicilian/Italians in movies. If they are making a movie about the Roman Empire or Greek movies, Meds don't even think about applying. We already have Max Von Sydow to play the emperor, Nicole kidman as the empress, and Brad pitt as the gladiator slave who uprises and overthrows the evil emperor. And lets throw a bunch of Scandanavians and Germans as the rest of the Roman or Greek citizens.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Feb 15, 2005 2:19:24 GMT -5
Hollywood's disregard for other groups than the northwestern European one is so obvious it's almost embarrassing and still they don't care much about learning something about these northwestern groups. Maybe it's an American thing? In the lousy movie "13th Warrior" where Antonio Banderas plays the Arab traveller Ibn Fadlan they have a number of Nordic people playing Vikings (a few of them Swedes). The funny thing is, when you hear these Nordics speak you hear some speak Swedish, some Icelandic and some Norwegian. It's like Hollywood thinks 'hey they're all blonde and blue-eyed and that's all we need'. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by zemelmete on Feb 15, 2005 3:18:54 GMT -5
The same I can say about russian portraiting. In Hollywood russians often are played by actors of western european origin. I remember one film where Nicole Kidman played russian girl. It was hard to believe that she was choosed for this role, because she doesn't look like russian at all. The same was with film "Jevgenei Onegin" where played one scottish actor (I don't remember his name). If this actor would visit Russia, everybody there would easly see that he is foreigner.
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Post by zemelmete on Feb 15, 2005 3:44:21 GMT -5
Actually I rarely watch Hollywood films. By my opinion all american films are the same. There are the same actions, the same american morality etc. I'm getting bored watching them. I think european films are far much better than american. So I propose to watch more european films and not to think so much about stupid american films. Anyway Hollywood isn't centre of the world.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Feb 15, 2005 8:36:18 GMT -5
I watch a few movies and a few tv shows (I like CSI and Lost), but apart from that I'm not very interested in films or tv. I prefer my computer! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by k5125 on Feb 15, 2005 11:58:53 GMT -5
Speaking of Hollywood. Does it have a middle line? It portrays Greeks as being blond (Alexander, Troy) and Persians as being black (Alexander). Do they have no common sense? Have they heard of Mediterraneans? Why don't they have Middle Easterners playing ancient Middle Eastern peoples (Egyptians, Hannibal, Persians, Hebrews, Jesus) and Mediterranean actors playing Greeks and Romans. Is it really that hard to find good actors of the above-stated origins? I never saw alexander, so I am shocked to hear that they portrayed Persians as black. Thats like portraying ethiopians as Romans. The only movie I can think of that was pretty accurate about how the physical portrayal of Jesus and the Jews was The Passion. Especially the Sanhedrin. Played by all Italian actors. When they were dressed up in those costumes with the beards they looked extremely mideastern to me. I was glad Mel didn't overdo it on the dark features though too. Lately I have noticed that stations like the discovery channel seem to have this fetish for portraying Jesus as a southern arabian. Some people have even gone as far to say that Jesus was an arab ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) .
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