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Post by captainusa1 on Jun 21, 2004 18:11:55 GMT -5
The "Nords" created the modern world eh. Actually a disease started modernism, the black death, if it wasn't for it we would still be in some sort of feudalism today kissing some lord's arse. The black death, Yersina pestis, so reduced the European population that labour became scarse and a commodity to be paid for with money. It totally transformed Europe. The next big step was the Industrial Revolution which took place in England. The English have a Germanic language much corrupted but they are not Nords. In Europe the Industrialisation was what transformed backwaters like Germany into nations of some note; all because of the English. The Germans aren't Nords either. I don't think Sweden, Norway or Denmark did much for the world. I put "Nord" in quotation marks for a reason. I'm not referring to just Scandinavians. I'm referring to people from northern and/or western Europe as well as their descendants in the USA. I'm also referring to the Industrial Revolution and the period after it. I use the phrase "created the modern world" in much the same way that authors used phrases such as "how the Irish saved civilization" and "how the Scots invented the modern world". I include both Jews and Gentiles in the group, "Nords". I'm using that term only to differentiate it from people from southern Europe. I don't use it in a racial or sub-racial way. It's easier than always writing Americans of northern and/or western ancestry and people in those regions. I should say western Europeans and their American descendants, who are clearly superior (the Americans, that is).
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Post by captainusa1 on Jun 21, 2004 18:19:53 GMT -5
The 'Nords' invented the modern world, only if you delude yourself into thinking that every important inventor or historic figure was Nordic by default... no matter where he was born. Nordicists claim Napoleon to be a nord, Mohammad, Jesus, Hitler, Genghis Khan, so, why not anyone else who ever contributed ... right There's no delusion about it. Americans of western European ancestry and western Europeans made the lion's share of breakthroughs that brought about the science and technology we enjoy today. I shouldn't have used the word, "Nord". I used it in reaction to a post that insulted Nords. I noticed that nobody had anything to say about that one. BTW, of course, people of other ethnicities and nationalities made important contributions. I never meant to imply that they didn't. I'm only saying that the Americans and western Europeans made a disproportionate amount of them.
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Post by captainusa1 on Jun 21, 2004 18:28:17 GMT -5
Actually, I think Cap'n is speaking of the modern achievements of Northern/Central Europeans in general, not those of 'Nordics'. Bingo! I'm including everyone from Thomas Edison to Albert Einstein to Isaac Newton to James Watt. It's just an objective observation. It's like mentioning that the ancient foundational cvilizations were mostly Mediterranean ones.
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Post by captainusa1 on Jun 21, 2004 18:32:16 GMT -5
Many things were first invented by the Chinese, thousands and hundreds of years before they got into the west/were reinvented there. They just didn't have the intention to revolute the world with it. That's true. Fireworks and paper immediately come to mind. I'm referring to the Industrial Revolution and the period after it.
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Post by captainusa1 on Jun 21, 2004 18:42:53 GMT -5
LOL. So typical... it took you guys a while to realize that Nords had nothing to do with Ancient or Classic Civilisations (nor any civilisation for this matter) and that you were being fools as usual with such claims. And now that you know that you were nothing in the past you want to claim the present? What will be next when the laughters about this spread too? The future? Could you now explain what this idiocy has to do with my post, if anything? Your words expose your incredible retardness and they make me suspect you are another nordgamer, another skadi'ite. And, by the way, I mean no personal offense to you. ;D (Edit: on second thoughts there is not only one idiot there, so this one may be one of the many idiots) I'm referring to western Europe and Americans whose ancestors came from there. I'm not referring to Vikings. Also, improve your comprehension skills. I gave credit to the ancient Mediterranean civilizations, so you can save your strawmen for your next debate. Anyway, compare your country's contributions to the world to my country's contributions to the world after the Industrial Revolution. Then look at all of the discoveries and inventions made by western Europeans during that time. There's no comparison. Enjoy the glories of the past. What have ya' done for us lately?
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Post by captainusa1 on Jun 21, 2004 18:51:42 GMT -5
Which is why I edited it. But who cares? I'm starting to realize that retardness is hard codified in their genes, it is not about isolated cases. You meant to say "retardation". If you're going to attempt to insult me, please have the common courtesy to correctly spell the insults.
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Post by galvez on Jun 21, 2004 21:40:41 GMT -5
Anyway, compare your country's contributions to the world to my country's contributions to the world after the Industrial Revolution. I am not going to condone rabid anti-any-group rhetoric on this particular thread, but as I pointed out on a previous post, no one who spends a lot of time online debating such matters is likely to have contributed much to society. PhDs, whether Black, White or any other race, tend to be preoccupied with their careers and other important matters. A chat troll, whether Mediterranean, Nordic, or Asian, will never measure up to the genius of Velazquez, just as he will never measure up to the genius of Leibnitz. A chat troll is simply a chat troll: if he had personal accomplishments of his own, he'd be barking less about the achievements of others. The Spanish produced arguably the greatest artists of the 20th-century: Picasso (who is defamed by Nordicists as a Jew), Miro and Dalí. For me to live off of their achievements would be ridiculous, however greatly I admire their works. I also notice that the more educated Nordics (and Jews, etc.) tend to appreciate and even love Spanish culture. These are the types who can locate Spain on a map.
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Post by captainusa1 on Jun 21, 2004 23:53:45 GMT -5
I am not going to condone rabid anti-any-group rhetoric on this particular thread, but as I pointed out on a previous post, no one who spends a lot of time online debating such matters is likely to have contributed much to society. PhDs, whether Black, White or any other race, tend to be preoccupied with their careers and other important matters. A chat troll, whether Mediterranean, Nordic, or Asian, will never measure up to the genius of Velazquez, just as he will never measure up to the genius of Leibnitz. A chat troll is simply a chat troll: if he had personal accomplishments of his own, he'd be barking less about the achievements of others. The Spanish produced arguably the greatest artists of the 20th-century: Picasso (who is defamed by Nordicists as a Jew), Miro and Dalí. For me to live off of their achievements would be ridiculous, however greatly I admire their works. I also notice that the more educated Nordics (and Jews, etc.) tend to appreciate and even love Spanish culture. These are the types who can locate Spain on a map. I'm just stating facts. I'm not taking credit for other individuals' accomplishments. Now, let's be real for a second. I noticed that you didn't lecture any specific Med posters in this thread. Was that just an oversight on your part?
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Post by Graeme on Jun 22, 2004 9:33:25 GMT -5
I don't agree with you. What you are talking about is not invention or original achievements, but innovations of already established ideas or methods. Edison was a businessman, a Yankee trader who used other people's brains to enrich himself. The foundation of all European civilisation is Mediterranean whether is is the USA version, German version, Russian version, British versions... take that away and you have nothing or what the Indian Hindus invented zero.
Who in today's world is the equivalent of Galileo Galilei or Leonardo da Vinci or Michelangelo Buonarroti-Simoni. Bill Gates? Admittedly Isaac Newton was a genius and ratbag. But he worked on the physics used by the ancients so he was hardly untouched by Mediterranean science.
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Post by xxx on Jun 22, 2004 16:52:51 GMT -5
You meant to say "retardation". If you're going to attempt to insult me, please have the common courtesy to correctly spell the insults. You should know better, it is not my mother tongue. And yet: Although I should have used the more exact and complete mental retardness. However, I should insist in that I mean no personal offense to you.
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Post by xxx on Jun 22, 2004 17:00:50 GMT -5
I put "Nord" in quotation marks for a reason. I'm not referring to just Scandinavians. I'm referring to people from northern and/or western Europe as well as their descendants in the USA. Great. No long ago you guys couldn't point countries on a map, and now you cannot even point the whole of Western Europe. No matter how many quotation marks you use, Western Europe includes at least as many Southern countries as Northern or Central. You have a huge mental diarrhoea. A huge one indeed.
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Post by xxx on Jun 22, 2004 17:09:51 GMT -5
I'm referring to western Europe and Americans whose ancestors came from there. I'm not referring to Vikings. Also, improve your comprehension skills. I gave credit to the ancient Mediterranean civilizations, so you can save your strawmen for your next debate. Anyway, compare your country's contributions to the world to my country's contributions to the world after the Industrial Revolution. Then look at all of the discoveries and inventions made by western Europeans during that time. There's no comparison. Enjoy the glories of the past. What have ya' done for us lately? I suppose that names like Ricardo de la Cierva in Engineering, or Nobel Prize Ramón y Cajal in Medicine, or Gaudí in Architecture, and many more should tell nothing to you. As I suppose that the words number of population for your nation and mine will not help you to understand view things with a bit more of reality. I can suppose that much given your other posts.
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Post by captainusa1 on Jun 22, 2004 18:49:17 GMT -5
I don't agree with you. What you are talking about is not invention or original achievements, but innovations of already established ideas or methods. Edison was a businessman, a Yankee trader who used other people's brains to enrich himself. The foundation of all European civilisation is Mediterranean whether is is the USA version, German version, Russian version, British versions... take that away and you have nothing or what the Indian Hindus invented zero. Who in today's world is the equivalent of Galileo Galilei or Leonardo da Vinci or Michelangelo Buonarroti-Simoni. Bill Gates? Admittedly Isaac Newton was a genius and ratbag. But he worked on the physics used by the ancients so he was hardly untouched by Mediterranean science. I am indeed talking about original discoveries and inventions. I reject your attempt to take credit away from the people who literally changed the world with their innovative ideas. Thomas Edison was a genius. He holds the record for patents. Albert Einstein was a genius. He created brand new ways of looking at science. The list goes on for paragraphs. There always has been a prior body of knowledge from which to draw. The Greeks and Romans drew from that existing body of knowledge to arrive at their unique ideas, but that doesn't take away from their results. The fact remains that it was the Americans and Western Europeans who were mostly responsible for the greatest innovations after the Industrial Revolution. It wasn't ancient Athens that put a man on the moon.
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Post by captainusa1 on Jun 22, 2004 19:00:53 GMT -5
I suppose that names like Ricardo de la Cierva in Engineering, or Nobel Prize Ramón y Cajal in Medicine, or Gaudí in Architecture, and many more should tell nothing to you. As I suppose that the words number of population for your nation and mine will not help you to understand view things with a bit more of reality. I can suppose that much given your other posts. There are a few good white sprinters too. So what? You have done nothing to disprove what I stated. Most honest and objective people would agree with me. What I said was painfully obvious. Your pride prevents you from admitting what you know to be true. That's why you have to resort to childish antics and personal attacks. You would rather cut out your tongue than admit the FACT that the lion's share of life-changing innovations after the Industrial Revolution came from Americans and Western Europeans, even though any look at lists of discoveries, inventions, scientific breakthroughs and technological marvels supports what I say. BTW, work on that reading comprehension. I never once said that there were NO contributions from Southern Europeans.
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Post by galvez on Jun 22, 2004 22:23:15 GMT -5
There are a few good white sprinters too. So what? You have done nothing to disprove what I stated. Most honest and objective people would agree with me. What I said was painfully obvious. Your pride prevents you from admitting what you know to be true. That's why you have to resort to childish antics and personal attacks. You would rather cut out your tongue than admit the FACT that the lion's share of life-changing innovations after the Industrial Revolution came from Americans and Western Europeans, even though any look at lists of discoveries, inventions, scientific breakthroughs and technological marvels supports what I say. BTW, work on that reading comprehension. I never once said that there were NO contributions from Southern Europeans. Actually, lists of names don't exactly support what you say. And the way you attempt to support your position is highly questionable. First off, you arbitrarily cut off Southern Europe from Western Europe. Secondly, while cutting off Southern Europe, you add the Jews (who are mostly of a "Medish" or Armenoid phenotype) as a part of Western Europe. Lists of inventions and discoveries put Italy (even controlling for population) far above most Northern European countries, and France (which is not Nordic, and indeed has a high proportion of Meds and even more Alpines) as well. And this is only the small period in history from the Industrial Revolution to now. One cannot seriously entertain that Norway, Sweden and Finland have played a greater role, even controlling for populations, than Italy. Yes, Southern Italians may differ from Northern Italians, but Northern Italians are not Nordic -- nor are they exactly Central European in general. Yet it is these Scandinavian countries that are Nordic or mostly Nordic (although Finland might lean a little more toward East Baltic, which is still plenty Nordic). Mind you, as a person of largely Spanish descent I don't care to take the accomplishments away from Italians or Greeks (especially since many Italians and even more Greeks strike me as foreign-looking), but it remains a fact that if you take away Germany and Britain from Europe, Italy and France have contributed far more to Western civilization in the modern period than all other Northern European nations combined. Statistically, the Spanish are not up there in inventions, although they do have very prominent men on lists (as noted by Mynydd), but they more than make up for it in their art and architecture, which far surpasses much that is seen in Northern Europe and is recognized by lists which favor Northern Europeans due to cultural bias. In fact, the best museum in the South of the United States is not even of an American -- it is a Spaniard (Dali)! And that museum doesn't even have his best works. America simply does not have the art and architecture, nor the richness of culture, that the Spanish have. Some comparisons are simply apples and oranges. Still, it remains a fact that Northern Europe has done a lot in modern times, and shamefully those chest-beating about these accomplishments online tend to be among the worst elements. By the way, the American philosopher who wrote the best prose was a Spanish-American -- George Santayana.
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