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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 8, 2006 3:27:20 GMT -5
I wonder if this is the kind of sentiment that representative Abraham Foxman of the zionist lobbying behemoth the ["Anti"]- Defamation league, speaks of when pushing for the "secularization" of the "holiday" season in Christian America? www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3194238,00.html
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 8, 2006 6:43:25 GMT -5
I wonder the same thing...
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jan 8, 2006 12:20:18 GMT -5
Anyone observe the irony inherent in the article? --Jews reacted to a so-called Christian symbol with violence as they were celebrating New Years.
Jewish New Year isn't in January.
Christian New Year is! --2,006 years since the birth of "Our Lord".
Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha
Israeli morons! They're celebrating a Christian New Year, commemorating the year of "our lord" 2006, and they're hypocritically turning on Christmas.
I've always been amused at selective Jewish antagonism toward Western holidays. Christmas is bad. But every Jew dresses his kid for Halloween; they all sit down for Thanksgiving; they all commemorate Christ's birth in New Years Eve celebrations . . . then--to make a phony show of not being "assimilated"--they pretend not to like Christmas.
So transparent.
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 12:36:04 GMT -5
Anyone observe the irony inherent in the article? --Jews reacted to a so-called Christian symbol with violence as they were celebrating New Years. Jewish New Year isn't in January. Christian New Year is! --2,006 years since the birth of "Our Lord". Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha Israeli morons! They're celebrating a Christian New Year, commemorating the year of "our lord" 2006, and they're hypocritically turning on Christmas. I've always been amused at selective Jewish antagonism toward Western holidays. Christmas is bad. But every Jew dresses his kid for Halloween; they all sit down for Thanksgiving; they all commemorate Christ's birth in New Years Eve celebrations . . . then--to make a phony show of not being "assimilated"--they pretend not to like Christmas. So transparent. Don't confuse Christmas with New Years. New Years is not Christian, it's better labeled as "Western". Also, the moment you realize that "the Jews" are not a single entity, more so that some underage Israeli kids, no doubt drunk at a nightclub, don't represent Jews, will be the end of a lot of confusion.
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Post by harri on Jan 8, 2006 12:51:15 GMT -5
They're all renamed pagan holidays anyway.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jan 8, 2006 12:55:02 GMT -5
Since when is New Years a "renamed pagan holiday"?
It's 2,006 years since Anno Domini--the year of our lord.
Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
P.S.--Jews have their own calendar, their own New Year. Isn't it Rosh Hashana? It's disingenuous to pretend that the January 1st New Year which marks off 2,006 years since Jesus' arrival in the world DOESN'T represent Christian culture . . . that it's "Western". That's why it's the most hypocritical that Jews celebrate it.
P.P.S.--Christmas is far less Christian than New Years. The December 25th celebration pre-dates Christianity, and was used as the birth of the Zoastrian god Mithras (who was also said to be born of a virgin). As for the "solstice," cultures all around the world have been celebrating far earlier than that. So for Jews to turn their noses up at Christmas . . . and to celebrate the 2,006 years since the birth of Jesus [in New Years], is the height of hypocrisy. They're on far stronger ground celebrating the once-pagan holidays like Christmas, Halloween, Easter, etc. Hell, Chinese immigrants come [with a far different culture than Judaism to Christianity] and they have no problem respecting Western Christian traditions and participating in them. That's why it's mind-boggling that so many Jews act toward Christmas the way vampires react toward holy water. Hell, look at those Israeli thugs beating up a man in a Santa suit. Why aren't "hate crimes" being lodged against anti-Christian Jews? Er . . .uh . . . never mind. We all know the truth behind that one.
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Post by harri on Jan 8, 2006 12:59:09 GMT -5
Since when is New Years a "renamed pagan holiday"? I was referring to Christian holidays in general, which Yule is. New Year is not a pagan holiday, of course. The European paganic year is divided into eight holidays and the end of the year is not sync with the common New Year.
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 13:05:16 GMT -5
Since when is New Years a "renamed pagan holiday"? It's 2,006 years since Anno Domini-- the year of our lord.Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha P.S.--Jews have their own calendar, their own New Year. Isn't it Rosh Hashana? It's disingenuous to pretend that the January 1st New Year which marks off 2,006 years since Jesus' arrival in the world DOESN'T represent Christian culture . . . that it's "Western". Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha First stop with the excessive bwahahahas, you'll bust your spleen. "January 1st New Year which marks off 2,006 years since Jesus' arrival in the world " ? What does December 25th represent?
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 13:17:56 GMT -5
January 1st marks the first day of a new year on Gregorian and Julian Calendars. They have nothing to do with Christ. Today New Years is celebrated as a secular holiday all over the world. Go to Times Square in New York on New Years. Do you think it's all Christians there?
Christmas, on the other hand, is a Christian holiday. Non-christians don't celebrate Christmas.
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Post by Educate Me on Jan 8, 2006 13:24:12 GMT -5
you know it was a pope who decided to update the calendar?
for religious reasons particularly
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 13:27:34 GMT -5
you know it was a pope who decided to update the calendar? for religious reasons particularly "The Gregorian calendar is the calendar that is used nearly everywhere in the world. A modification of the Julian calendar, it was first proposed by the Neapolitan doctor Aloysius Lilius, and was decreed by Pope Gregory XIII, for whom it was named, on 24 February 1582 (Note: The papal bull Inter gravissimas was signed in the year 1581 for unknown reasons, but printed on 1 March 1582. Although the use of the date 1581 is often attributed to the supposed adoption by the papacy of a reckoning by which the year began on 25 March, other contemporaneous papal bulls have years that do not agree with March years, let alone years since a pope was named or other types of years.)
The Gregorian Calendar was devised because the mean year in the Julian Calendar was a little too long, causing the vernal equinox to slowly drift backwards in the calendar year."
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Post by Educate Me on Jan 8, 2006 13:39:40 GMT -5
you know it was a pope who decided to update the calendar? for religious reasons particularly "The Gregorian calendar is the calendar that is used nearly everywhere in the world. A modification of the Julian calendar, it was first proposed by the Neapolitan doctor Aloysius Lilius, and was decreed by Pope Gregory XIII, for whom it was named, on 24 February 1582 (Note: The papal bull Inter gravissimas was signed in the year 1581 for unknown reasons, but printed on 1 March 1582. Although the use of the date 1581 is often attributed to the supposed adoption by the papacy of a reckoning by which the year began on 25 March, other contemporaneous papal bulls have years that do not agree with March years, let alone years since a pope was named or other types of years.)
The Gregorian Calendar was devised because the mean year in the Julian Calendar was a little too long, causing the vernal equinox to slowly drift backwards in the calendar year."
and that affected EASTER
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 13:48:47 GMT -5
"The Gregorian calendar is the calendar that is used nearly everywhere in the world. A modification of the Julian calendar, it was first proposed by the Neapolitan doctor Aloysius Lilius, and was decreed by Pope Gregory XIII, for whom it was named, on 24 February 1582 (Note: The papal bull Inter gravissimas was signed in the year 1581 for unknown reasons, but printed on 1 March 1582. Although the use of the date 1581 is often attributed to the supposed adoption by the papacy of a reckoning by which the year began on 25 March, other contemporaneous papal bulls have years that do not agree with March years, let alone years since a pope was named or other types of years.)
The Gregorian Calendar was devised because the mean year in the Julian Calendar was a little too long, causing the vernal equinox to slowly drift backwards in the calendar year."
and that affected EASTEREducate Me, are you arguing something? Because I'm not getting it.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jan 8, 2006 14:06:01 GMT -5
Yes, New Years is secular--that's why it's 2,006 years since the arrival our "our Lord". Anno Domini.
Western History is separated into two periods: B.C. [Before Christ] and A.D. [Anno Domini, or "The Year of Our Lord"].
Jewish intellectuals have been trying to ages to switch it to "BCE" or "Before Common Era", etc.
But even in getting rid of the initials BC and AD, there's still that embarrassing fact that the 2,006-year marker refers to Jesus.
They keep trying to bury it, to secularize it.
I understand the Jewish antagonism toward Western culture and holidays: For centuries they were excluded. So, in reaction to their ostracism, they tried to homogenous the West when they got power, to blur it, to suppress its culture and make a one-size-fits-all society for all different races, religions and cultures.
But something happened: Israel was founded.
Now Jews have a place where they're the majority, where they have a right to have all their own holidays and celebrations.
I embrace that.
But now that they have their own country, a place to go, they need to stop complaining about the host-populations in countries where they don't need to live. If they're so offended by Western holidays, culture and traditions, for the first time in history they have a choice.
Don't move to China and complain about Chinese culture.
Don't move to Israel and complain about Jewish culture.
Likewise, don't move to nations that were founded by Christians and where the overwhelming majority of people are Christian and then complain about their holidays and culture.
You have a choice now: Move.
How chauvinistic: To be 2% of a host-population and to demand that that host population stop mentioning their holidays.
We're all supposed to stop saying 'Merry Christmas.' Say 'Happy Holidays' or 'Seasons Greetings!'" they demand. Or we'll sue!
Never mind that Hannukah is not even a high holy holiday, and that Christmas is the BIG Christian celebration. There are no comparable Jewish, Muslim or Buddhist holidays at the time of Christmas. Yet Christians are supposed to pretend that we're "just one of many," etc.
Jews make up 2% of America. Christians make up 2% of Israel.
Are their movements afoot in Israel to make them stop publicizing Yom Kippur or Rosh Hashaanah??? Are Armenian Christians in Israel "offended" when Israelis celebrate their holidays? --Of course not.
Yet there's this massive double-standard going on: 2% should dictate to the 98% in America, while in Israel 2% has no effect on the majority.
* The worst recent example of Jewish chauvinism took place in Miami. An old Catholic woman put up a manger scene in her yard. The community she lived in said that that was against ordinance because it was religious. They sued her to force her to take the small display down. Meanwhile her Jewish neighbors had all sorts of Hannukah decorations up. She called the same council--made up of Jewish businessmen--and the expected happened: The Jews were allowed to keep up their religious decorations with no lawsuits, but the Christian (subject to a double-standard) was bullied and discriminated against. --It reminds one of the Old Soviet Union, where the Bolsheviks shut down all Christian churches, yet allowed synagogues to remain untouched. No one less than Winston Churchill himself wrote about the phenomenon in the 1920s.
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 14:25:36 GMT -5
Your first problem is that you believe that "the Jews" and only "the Jews" are fighting this "war" on Christmas.
You repeat this same thing over and over. So Jesus was born on January 1st, 0000? Is that what you're saying? What the years are labeled as, is irrelevant. It's just a label, and an incorrect one at that. It doesn't change the fact that today New Year is a secular holiday. People of different religions celebrate New Years as a secular holiday all over the world.
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