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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 14:31:36 GMT -5
Give me a link. I would like to read about this.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jan 8, 2006 14:34:49 GMT -5
Nymos, Yeah, all those "Buddhists" at the ACLU suing people. Bwa-ha-ha-ha.
You know, Buddhist surnames like Cohen, Schwartz, Greenberg.
When I think: Litigious, suing, etc. I think . . . um . . . Muslims.
Uh-huh.
Remember that Judge in Alabama who was sued for having up the Ten Commandments. Remember the man who brought the suit? --A certain Mr. Cohen.
Um . . . yeah, all those OTHER religions suing and attacking Christians.
Damn, those law schools are just stuffed with Shinto-ists. Those darned aggressive Hare-Krishnas clogging the legal system with their incessant law-suits.
Reality check: I know we're all supposed to pretend that all these other religions are offended by Christmas, and that the ACLU is made up in equal portions by other religions--- But it just keeps getting harder and harder to pretend.
* I have no doubt that the article at the top of this thread will be modified by the arbiters of news-consumption. We'll be told not to remember that Jews beat up guys in a Santa suit. It was members of all different religions who beat him up: Buddhists, Muslims, Shintoists, Hare-Krishnas . . . all kicking and punching together. Uh-huh.
P.S.--Other religions aren't antagonistic toward Christianity for the simple reason that immigration from those countries is new. Jews, however, are different. They've been forced to live in other peoples' countries for centuries and have undergone oppression, ostracism, lynch-mobs, etc. So it's only natural for them to experience a backlash toward Christians and Christmas. That feeling of antagonism is absent in Buddhists, Muslims, Shintoists, etc., because they were never oppressed by Westerners, and only arrived recently. So it's retarded to pretend that all these other groups feel the same antagonism that Jews secretly [and not-so-secretly] do.
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 14:40:54 GMT -5
Nymos, Yeah, all those "Buddhists" at the ACLU suing people. Bwa-ha-ha-ha. You know, Buddhist surnames like Cohen, Schwartz, Greenberg. When I think: Litigious, suing, etc. I think . . . um . . . Muslims. Uh-huh. Remember that Judge in Alabama who was sued for having up the Ten Commandments. Remember the man who brought the suit? --A certain Mr. Cohen. Um . . . yeah, all those OTHER religions suing and attacking Christians. Damn, those law schools are just stuffed with Shinto-ists. Those darned aggressive Hare-Krishnas clogging the legal system with their incessant law-suits. Reality check: I know we're all supposed to pretend that all these other religions are offended by Christmas, and that the ACLU is made up in equal portions by other religions--- But it just keeps getting harder and harder to pretend. * I have no doubt that the article at the top of this thread will be modified by the arbiters of news-consumption. We'll be told not to remember that Jews beat up guys in a Santa suit. It was members of all different religions who beat him up: Buddhists, Muslims, Shintoists, Hare-Krishnas . . . all kicking and punching together. Uh-huh. How about atheists or agnostics? I see you dropped your line that New Years is a christian holiday, and moved to bashing "those Christmas-hating Jews."
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jan 8, 2006 14:45:20 GMT -5
I never dropped my line that New Years is a Christian holiday.
Jews have Rosh Hoshanah and a calendar with a 5,000-year age. Christians have their own New Year, celebrated in a different month and a calendar with a 2,006 year-date.
It just so happens that Christians took over the world; so now the world has to conform to the calendar of Christian Europe.
Those are facts--as much as you don't want them to be.
Jews have their own calendar; Christians have theirs; the Chinese have theirs, etc.
What aren't you understanding?
P.S.--As to your challenge about my comments on Jewish chauvinism and holiday decorations--- You asked for a source. Here it is: It was a front-page story of the Jan. 29 issue of the Miami newspaper the Sun Post. A woman by the name of Sondra Snowdon went on a hunger strike to protest the fact that her town would not allow any Christmas decorations to be displayed other than a Christmas tree yet many Jewish decorations for Hanukkah were allowed, such as the menorah and the Star of David. She and another woman from another community who has also been experiencing the same kind of discrimination against the display of Christmas decorations are considering taking civil action. As per the article, Councilman Robert Yaffe said the council should make a 'better effort to embrace the celebrations of all members of the community.' "Yaffe," it goes without saying is a Jewish surname. Go to Google and key in the names and dates and get the article.
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 14:51:00 GMT -5
I never dropped my line that New Years is a Christian holiday. Jews have Rosh Hoshanah and a calendar with a 5,000-year age. Christians have their own New Year, celebrated in a different month and a calendar with a 2,006 year-date. It just so happens that Christians took over the world; so now the world has to conform to the calendar of Christian Europe. Those are facts--as much as you don't want them to be. Jews have their own calendar; Christians have their; the Chinese have theirs, etc. What about these facts aren't you understanding? What about New Years is a secular holiday are you not understanding? Yeah Chinese have their own calendar, but they use the Western calendar in everyday life and that's why they also celebrate New Years on January 1st. How many times do I have to say it? New Years is not Christian, Christmas is. By your logic, it's hypocritical that so many Jews use the Latin alphabet, when they have Hebrew. And yeah, my previous point, what about atheists and agnostics?
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 15:09:17 GMT -5
P.S.--As to your challenge about my comments on Jewish chauvinism and holiday decorations--- You asked for a source. Here it is: It was a front-page story of the Jan. 29 issue of the Miami newspaper the Sun Post. A woman by the name of Sondra Snowdon went on a hunger strike to protest the fact that her town would not allow any Christmas decorations to be displayed other than a Christmas tree yet many Jewish decorations for Hanukkah were allowed, such as the menorah and the Star of David. She and another woman from another community who has also been experiencing the same kind of discrimination against the display of Christmas decorations are considering taking civil action. As per the article, Councilman Robert Yaffe said the council should make a 'better effort to embrace the celebrations of all members of the community.' "Yaffe," it goes without saying is a Jewish surname. Go to Google and key in the names and dates and get the article. I can't find the article. Link me to it.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jan 8, 2006 15:10:43 GMT -5
Nymos, 2,006 years refers to SOMETHING, right?
Why are you trying this historical revisionism to try and make everyone think that the West's calendar isn't based on Jesus? It is.
China, India, Aztecs, Maya, Israeites--all these people had [and have] their own calendars. And they only use the European [Jesus-based] one, because they were beat down and colonized by Europeans. You ask why the Chinese use the Western calendar? Ever hear of British colonialism? I thought you might have. . . .
P.S.--You wanted to ask me about atheists and agnostics in the fight against Christianity. My response to you is yes: There are militant atheists who fight alongside the crackpot minority of Jews who feel antagonistic toward Christmas. The guy who recently sued America because his son had to pledge allegiance to the flag and say "one nation under God" is an example forcefully in point. To my knowledge, he's a Gentile. Likewise, the woman who founded the American Atheists Society had an Irish surname. So there are non-Jewish nutcases, too. But the proof is in the pudding. When Mel Gibson made his movie The Passion, be honest: It wasn't Buddhists suing him, it wasn't Muslims carrying out TV campaigns to malaign and attack Mr. Gibson. Front and center were Jewish groups like the Anti-Defamation League, B'nai Brith and all that crap. The Usual Suspects. It's always the same idiots, that's why it gets wearisome after a while. * They give ordinary Jews a bad name. I'd wager to say that 90% of Jews are tolerant people, whose blood doesn't boil when people say "Merry Christmas". But there's that insane, litigious 10%, who still blame Christianity for the ill-treatment of Jews throughout history. They recall the pogroms, the oppression, the ostracism and can't let it go. It's this minority of crackpots who are out to erase all Christian symbols and celebrations--while maintaining the right for Jews to display menorahs and stars-of-David. These are the ones guilty of cultural chauvinism. (And it's this mind-set that led to the Jewish thugs who beat up the man in the Santa suit.)
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 15:22:48 GMT -5
Nymos, 2,006 years refers to SOMETHING, right? Why are you trying this historical revisionism to try and make everyone think that the West's calendar isn't based on Jesus? It is. China, India, Aztecs, Maya, Israeites--all these people had [and have] their own calendars. And they only use the European [Jesus-based] one, because they were beat down and colonized by Europeans. You ask why the Chinese use the Western calendar? Ever hear of British colonialism? I thought you might have. . . . Yeah and Latin is used by the Catholic church, therefore Latin is Christian, right. The year 2006 is arbitrary. Jesus wasn't really born on January 1st 0000. Just because an incorrect label attached the years (AD and BC), doesn't make it religious. I didn't ask why Chinese use Western Calendar. It's irrelevant why the use it, other than the fact that they use it. And there is nothing religious about it. The whole world uses it and there's nothing religious about it. Again, nothing that you say shows that New Years is a Christian holiday, and it's certainly not celebrated as such. Christmas is. You know what's funny. You accuse Jews of not adopting Western culture, and then you're pissed off that many Jews celebrate New Years, a western holiday. Who's the schizophrenic now?
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 15:26:18 GMT -5
What does this have to do with Christmas? They deemed the movie anti-Semitic, that's why they were pissed off. No wonder so many Muslims liked it.
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 15:30:18 GMT -5
Anti-Christmas movement, if we accept that such a movement exists, is not a Jewish movement as you paint it to be. It's predominantly liberal movement. This includes the same liberals who are vehemently anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jan 8, 2006 15:37:20 GMT -5
Liberals have never been anti-Jewish and anti-Israel.
To this day, something like 90% of all American Jewish voters are Democrats--and always have been.
Liberalism and New York Jewish culture have been synonymous for a century.
The new phenomenon are neocons--i.e., recycled liberal Jewish intellectuals who were once Trotskyites and are now pretending to be conservatives. Note the "neo" on "neo-con". It means "new". The whole re-casting of Israel or Jewishness as a "conservative issue" is brand-new. Historically, conservatives were pro-America, not pro-Israel. They were isolationslists, not internationalists. All those people locking Jews out of social clubs and country clubs were wealthy white conservatives.
So don't try and pull that crap that Democrats are anti-Jewish, when 90% of all Jews are Democrats. (In fact, in a recent poll 70% of all American Jews were against the Iraq war--like Jewish comic Jon Stewart.)
So Jews aren't "against Israel" or Jewishness: They're statistically against thuggish militarism and flouting of international law. Remember that whole brush they had with those two things in Germany???
They get nervous when countries their in start celebrating militarism and the philosophy of the jackboot.
So, sorry: "Liberals" aren't anti-Jewish and never were. (They've always historically been anti-Christian.)
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 15:45:48 GMT -5
Liberals have never been anti-Jewish and anti-Israel. To this day, something like 90% of all American Jewish voters are Democrats--and always have been. Liberalism and New York Jewish culture have been synonymous for a century. The new phenomenon are neocons--i.e., recycled liberal Jewish intellectuals who were once Trotskyites and are now pretending to be conservatives. Note the "neo" on "neo-con". It means "new". The whole re-casting of Israel or Jewishness as a "conservative issue" is brand-new. Historically, conservatives were pro-America, not pro-Israel. They were isolationslists, not internationalists. All those people locking Jews out of social clubs and country clubs were wealthy white conservatives. So don't try and pull that crap that Democrats are anti-Jewish, when 90% of all Jews are Democrats. (In fact, in a recent poll 70% of all American Jews were against the Iraq war--like Jewish comic Jon Stewart.) So Jews aren't "against Israel" or Jewishness: They're statistically against thuggish militarism and flouting of international law. Remember that whole brush they had with those two things in Germany??? They get nervous when countries their in start celebrating militarism and the philosophy of the jackboot. So, sorry: "Liberals" aren't anti-Jewish and never were. (They've always historically been anti-Christian.) I think you're misinterpreted what I've said, which is my fault. Let me clarify. I agree with you that Jews have been traditionally liberal. And I didn't mean that all liberals today are anti-Jewish. That was not important to my point at all. My emphasis is that this anti-Christmas movement is better described as a liberal movement, not a Jewish one. And by the bye, many of these modern liberals are vehemently anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli. Also consider that your own argument lines, indicate that those "Jews" that might have taken a stance on Christmas do so not because they are Jewish, but because they are liberal. Yet the Jew-haters will use these Jewish last names, as evidence that "the Jews" are anti-Christian, and with their rhetoric will influence many impressionable people who just don't know any better.
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Post by galton on Jan 8, 2006 15:53:45 GMT -5
Anyone observe the irony inherent in the article? --Jews reacted to a so-called Christian symbol with violence as they were celebrating New Years. Jewish New Year isn't in January. Christian New Year is! --2,006 years since the birth of "Our Lord". Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha Israeli morons! They're celebrating a Christian New Year, commemorating the year of "our lord" 2006, and they're hypocritically turning on Christmas. I've always been amused at selective Jewish antagonism toward Western holidays. Christmas is bad. But every Jew dresses his kid for Halloween; they all sit down for Thanksgiving; they all commemorate Christ's birth in New Years Eve celebrations . . . then--to make a phony show of not being "assimilated"--they pretend not to like Christmas. So transparent. Good point. You've brought up many inconsistencies worth thinking about.
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Post by nymos on Jan 8, 2006 15:55:57 GMT -5
Anyone observe the irony inherent in the article? --Jews reacted to a so-called Christian symbol with violence as they were celebrating New Years. Jewish New Year isn't in January. Christian New Year is! --2,006 years since the birth of "Our Lord". Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha Israeli morons! They're celebrating a Christian New Year, commemorating the year of "our lord" 2006, and they're hypocritically turning on Christmas. I've always been amused at selective Jewish antagonism toward Western holidays. Christmas is bad. But every Jew dresses his kid for Halloween; they all sit down for Thanksgiving; they all commemorate Christ's birth in New Years Eve celebrations . . . then--to make a phony show of not being "assimilated"--they pretend not to like Christmas. So transparent. Good point. You've brought up many inconsistencies worth thinking about. Yeah, his points have many inconsistencies worth thinking about.
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Post by Miguel Antunes on Jan 8, 2006 16:17:26 GMT -5
Western Calendar is Christian!
We are in the year 2006....2006 years since the year Jesus was born....hence "before christ" and "anno domini" (in portuguese we say "depois de cristo", after christ...) It's quite easy to understand....the only problem is that there ins't a year zero...the year christ was born...still..that doesn't change the fact that the so called Western Calendar is a Christian Calendar, and there are even differences, or there were...between the various christian rites...The Orthodox calendar used to be different I think..
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