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Post by AWAR on Nov 21, 2003 9:43:26 GMT -5
What is the predominant sub-racial type of Welsh people, how is it different from the surrounding populations?
To whom are the Welsh people most similar in phenotype and genotype?
What are the relations between Welsh and Basque, and some Caucasian languages?
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Post by galvez on Nov 21, 2003 10:27:54 GMT -5
The Welsh are related to the Basques, based on a study of the Y-chromosome. They are, according to Rhodri Clark of The Western Mail, one of the most homogeneous populations in the world, along with the Irish. There has been surprisingly little admixture between the Welsh and Anglo-Saxons. You may find the link below interesting. |
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Post by Arawn on Nov 21, 2003 10:44:56 GMT -5
As for language, i am unaware of much of a linguistic relationship between Welsh and Basque (or the Caucasian languages for that matter), its basicly a far out IE language, already far removed from Gaelic. - Byrthonic - 'Celtic' - Indo-European seems to be the common consensus, though like many European languages, it has a fair amount of Latin influence, as well as more recently borrowed English words.
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Post by AWAR on Nov 21, 2003 18:39:29 GMT -5
I've read somewhere that Welsh isn't quite IE. It's only classified as such because most of it's words are IE in origin, but a good portion are somehow related to Hamitic and Iberrian languages, and it's structure is surprisingly non-IE.
Welsh
Ochoren ballodddi hoc-dena
Yni all sy dda
Angheni a gowan
Ysgoefon a gwirion
Be heulo leuferfo
Nesa awyr peneu chwi
Hebrew
Acharei belothi hedenah
Ani El Saddai
Angini eu gouan
Isgoahvon u giwaeon
Be hilo leavorvo
Nesah auor panei cha
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Post by Arawn on Nov 21, 2003 18:48:30 GMT -5
Hmmmm.
Got any links i could read on this? Prefereably of the non-wierd biblical kind (ie. those mysterious cimmerians)?
What of Breton and Cornish/Kernouw? As they are fairly closely related to Welsh to, being Brythonic.
What of the Brythonic goup in general, and the Goedelic (sp? late night alcohol...) group?
To give the wider 'celtic' language group perspective.
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Post by Arawn on Nov 21, 2003 20:57:45 GMT -5
While your at it, perhaps you could reveal where this 'welsh' comes from.
I assumed this could perhaps be old welsh, did a check, and most of those words don't exist in my trusty old Welsh dictionary, which was printed in the 1940s. But then who knows.
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Post by AWAR on Nov 22, 2003 2:21:24 GMT -5
Oh, that was just a thingy I found in someone else's post. I just wanted a Welshman to check it out, to tell me if it has anything to do with reality. I'm sorry I didn't state that it's not something I myself am sure of. This entire thread is here because I want to learn more about the 'mysterious' Cimms  |
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Post by Arawn on Nov 22, 2003 6:54:47 GMT -5
It could be exceptionaly bad spelling on the part of the original poster, so there is that to consider too.
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Post by Praetor on Dec 11, 2003 17:40:28 GMT -5
I've read somewhere that Welsh isn't quite IE. It's only classified as such because most of it's words are IE in origin, but a good portion are somehow related to Hamitic and Iberrian languages, and it's structure is surprisingly non-IE. WelshOchoren ballodddi hoc-dena Yni all sy dda Angheni a gowan Ysgoefon a gwirion Be heulo leuferfo Nesa awyr peneu chwi HebrewAcharei belothi hedenah Ani El Saddai Angini eu gouan Isgoahvon u giwaeon Be hilo leavorvo Nesah auor panei cha I've seen this quote first time in RM's site. I was sceptical then and i am quite very much the same now.I speak neither welsh nor jewish but the similarities between the two texts are uncanny.It can't be true,because if it is it makes welsh a semitic language.It is interesting topic anyway. |
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Post by AWAR on Dec 11, 2003 18:55:07 GMT -5
Arawn is Welsh, so I think he should have the final word on this |
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Post by Arawn on Dec 14, 2003 13:00:03 GMT -5
About a handfull of those words are Welsh (at least 'modern Welsh', which is fairly unchanged for a couple of centuries at least).
-dena = attract or lure
-dda = da? = good (its possible, but the problem is 'dd' is a single letter with a 'th' sound = no such word AFAIK)
-gwirion = dumb/naive, or gwirio = check
-heulo = sun
-Nesa = near ?
-awyr = air or sky
-chwi = you
That much is Welsh (though my welsh is crap and i'm using a small/limited dictionary to help me), the other 'mystery' words certainly look like they could be Welsh, but i'm getting nothing for them. But this could of course be old Welsh so..
Anyways, whats the supposed translation?
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Post by Arawn on Dec 14, 2003 13:04:19 GMT -5
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Post by Praetor on Dec 21, 2003 7:04:07 GMT -5
Heulo is sun? Why should it be connected to hilo (  ) and not to the Greek helios which means sun?Awyr resembles ancient greek Air which is common in IE languages.Until something else comes around I'll consider welsh an IE language. |
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Post by executiona9 on Mar 27, 2004 18:21:27 GMT -5
The most common physical type in Wales is Keltic-Nordic just like in the rest of Britain.
The difference between Wales and England is that there are less blonds in Wales. But on the other hand Wales has much more redhaired people than England.
The amount of darkhaired people is about the same for Wales and England. The differences are negligable.
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Post by executiona9 on Mar 27, 2004 18:33:10 GMT -5
Some pictures of Welsh people :   |
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) and not to the Greek helios which means sun?Awyr resembles ancient greek Air which is common in IE languages.Until something else comes around I'll consider welsh an IE language.