|
Post by executiona9 on Mar 29, 2004 14:50:04 GMT -5
The dark welsh are only a small minority in Wales. Most welsh people dont look Mediterrenean.
Well I dont know if you are familiar with it, but there is a difference between keltic-nordic and hallstatt-nordic. Hallstatt-nordic refers to the blond blue eyed people from Scandinavia, we can also call this the Scandinavian-nordic.
But there is also the Keltic-nordic. Countries were the Keltic-Nordic predominates are Holland, Flanders, Wales, England, Scotland and Eastern-Ireland.
The Keltic-nordic has almost the same bone and skull structure as the Scandinavian-Nordic (hallstatt), thats why its called nordic too. The main difference is that Keltic-Nordics are darker in pigmentation, the most common haircolour among Keltic-Nordic is brown, not blond like the Scandinavian-Nordic
|
|
|
Post by AWAR on Mar 29, 2004 15:26:55 GMT -5
The dark welsh are only a small minority in Wales. Most welsh people dont look Mediterrenean. According to most sources, they do. They just don't belong to the same 'med' type as Greeks, but they do belong with Basques. They're also genetically identical to Basques, as well as the fact that Welsh language shows some relation to Basque. Keltic Nordic type is not metrically same to Halstatt. Keltics have longer noses, lower vaults, more sloping foreheads and other Dinaric-like characteristics. They also have much less blondism than Nordic types.
|
|
|
Post by executiona9 on Mar 29, 2004 15:42:25 GMT -5
The problem is that not everything what you read is true. Arthur Kemp for example claimed most Welsh are mediterrenean. Well we all know who Kemp is : an amateur. Carleton Coon was another guy that claimed the Welsh are dark. Coon was good on skull and bone measurements, but his haircolour and eyecolour maps are not to be taken seriously. Coon for example noted that red hair occurs at the same amounts in irish, scots and english people. Its common known that this is not true, in Scotland and Ireland there are much more redhaired people than in England. If we may believe Coon`s haircolour maps than Russia is much darker in haircolour than England and Germany. This is also not true. Its common known that Russians are blonder than both English and Germans So basically what im trying to say is that Coon was good on skull/bone things, but his pigmentation surveys (hair colour etc) are not to be taken seriously. Its a fact that the dark Welsh (mediterrenean looking) exist. But the problem is that some people try to claim the majority of the Welsh people are dark welsh. This is highly incorrect. The dark Welsh are a minority in Wales. I would recommend you to visit Wales like I did, or you could surf the internet to search for pictures of Welsh people. Go to a site like www.google.com and type in Welsh in the picture browser for example. And you will see that most Welsh people are not dark at all but instead look identical to the other Brits (Scots, English) You are completely correct. Im not an expert on subracial types, Ive seen on Skadi that you have more knowledge about it then I have. But what I was trying to point out is that Hallstatt-Nordics and Keltic-Nordics have a lot in common when it comes to skull structure, thats why they are both called Nordic.
|
|
|
Post by executiona9 on Mar 29, 2004 15:46:04 GMT -5
Oh yeah by the way Welsh and Irish people are only identical to Basques on the Paternal y-Chromosome side. On the maternal side they are completely different.
This is because Basques are Celt-Iberians.
Basques are mostly Celtic on the paternal side (thats why they cluster with irish/welsh on the paternal side) and mostly iberian on the maternal side (thats why they are completely different from the irish/welsh on this side)
|
|
|
Post by Melnorme on Mar 29, 2004 15:49:00 GMT -5
If we may believe Coon`s haircolour maps than Russia is much darker in haircolour than England and Germany. This is also not true. Its common known that Russians are blonder than both English and Germans He says they're 'much darker'? I think you're wrong. www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/troe-map8a.jpg
|
|
|
Post by executiona9 on Mar 29, 2004 15:53:50 GMT -5
If you post maps than please post the entire map : Here is the map where Russia is on : Here is the map where England and Germany are on : you can clearly see that Coon pictures Russia much darker than England and Germany
|
|
|
Post by Melnorme on Mar 29, 2004 15:58:55 GMT -5
So? Russia is a huge place with a multitude of physical types, including a fairly dark-pigmented 'Pontic' type that ProdigalSon et. al. were very proud of. Actually, not all of those areas are even inhabited by ethnic Russians. Anyway, that map shows that Wales isn't that dark, except a few small regions.
|
|
|
Post by galvez on Mar 29, 2004 16:10:18 GMT -5
That's a very useful link. It helps me understand the overlap in eye color among various European groups. I am surprised to find that there are pockets in Northern Europe where most are dark-eyed, and large areas where dark and light eyes are almost even. This helps explain why there are so many angry Nordicists on the internet with swarthy eyes and skin. It's hard to imagine anything more humorous and despicable than a Nordicist foaming at the mouth at you when his or her eyes are brown or hazel and yours are less pigmented -- and when you are taller. It makes me feel like the Nordicist for a change. Strange. I just wish these greasy, boorish, wannabe Nordics would establish their own community so that they could rival the Welsh in swarthiness among so-called Nords due to their strong desires to inbreed.
|
|
|
Post by Melnorme on Mar 29, 2004 16:18:28 GMT -5
That's a very useful link. It helps me understand the overlap in eye color among various European groups. I am surprised to find that there are pockets in Northern Europe where most are dark-eyed, and large areas where dark and light eyes are almost even. Yes, the coastal regions of Scandinavia tend to be darker than the inland, it seems. And of course there's the dark Lappish influence in the extreme north. ( Extreme Thule?... ) I can't believe you haven't been banned from Skadi yet.
|
|
|
Post by executiona9 on Mar 29, 2004 16:29:42 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Melnorme on Mar 29, 2004 16:39:39 GMT -5
Do they look mediterrenean to you? Posting children is a no-brainer, though. They get darker as they grow older. Post the adult soccer teams. BTW, I agree with you that the Welsh can't possibly be very dark - they are North Europeans, after all. I don't think it's accurate to say that they're just a 'darker type of Nordic', though.
|
|
|
Post by dalonord on Mar 30, 2004 9:56:48 GMT -5
That's a very useful link. It helps me understand the overlap in eye color among various European groups. I am surprised to find that there are pockets in Northern Europe where most are dark-eyed, and large areas where dark and light eyes are almost even. This helps explain why there are so many angry Nordicists on the internet with swarthy eyes and skin. It's hard to imagine anything more humorous and despicable than a Nordicist foaming at the mouth at you when his or her eyes are brown or hazel and yours are less pigmented -- and when you are taller. It makes me feel like the Nordicist for a change. Strange. I just wish these greasy, boorish, wannabe Nordics would establish their own community so that they could rival the Welsh in swarthiness among so-called Nords due to their strong desires to inbreed. I'm surprised that you've never seen this map, Galvez... You seem to concentrate on "Nordicists" quite a lot. It seems the bulk of your posts here or at Skadi contain some snide comment directed in their direction. What's with the obsession? You're rather a bore.
|
|
|
Post by galvez on Mar 30, 2004 10:43:20 GMT -5
You seem to concentrate on "Nordicists" quite a lot. It seems the bulk of your posts here or at Skadi contain some snide comment directed in their direction. What's with the obsession? You're rather a bore. Sure, and self-interest isn't involved in your snide comments. It's interesting that you object to my comments but have not objected to the comments of those calling Meds muds, Negroes, etc. This is a race forum in case you have forgot, so ideology will be discussed. If you find my comments a "bore," you can ignore them. Besides, you defended Nordhammer over an alleged "cheap shot" from me, but didn't utter a peep when he was mouthing off toward me some time ago. Your name is not exactly a synonym of excitement, by the way.
|
|
|
Post by galvez on Mar 30, 2004 10:53:22 GMT -5
most of galve posts have been untwisting or reacting to "Nordicists" manipulation and shady accusations upon history.Need i remind you that its extreme"Nordicism" that has always been a bore. You have to see where Dalo nord is coming from, tho. He didn't charge at me out of a genuine sense of justice. Very likely he felt offended that I stood up for myself and Meds recently at Skadi -- which I got reprimanded for -- by attacking Nordhammer! Yep, the guy who compares Meds to Negroes and has degraded Dienekes and other Southern Europeans in the past and who continues to do so in subtle and not so subtle ways. Shame on me! Brave of Dalo nord to condemn me. Dalo nord has this image of being fair and objective, but the reality is that he just sits back and lets the others do the dirty work. Then, when a proud Med defends himself, he took a "cheap shot." His cries will fall on deaf ears at Dodona. At Skadi he will gain some sympathy.
|
|
|
Post by galvez on Mar 30, 2004 11:15:57 GMT -5
As far as the charge of obsession, I was planning to cut down on this nonsense to continue my studies. From Dalonord's own admission, he has been involved in Nordicist forums for a number of years. I have only started to defend Meds in the past few months. And frankly, it gets old after a while. The Sigrun and Mynydd case ought to tell everyone what a waste of time Nordicism and Medicism is. The Nordicists -- and excuse me Dalonord if I offend you again for using the term -- can bark all they want but there are millions of Sigruns out there who don't give a rat's ass for Nordicism or McCulloch's philosophy.
I have gravitated far away from racial materialism and have basically been trying to finish up certain threads... well, some recent developments spurred some new activities, but they are just recent developments.
I also have cut down on my Skadi posts out of respect for Nordicists. You see, there are people with different philosophies in this world.
|
|