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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 24, 2005 21:07:21 GMT -5
Springa so Sao Paulo city has alot of Southern Italians then.
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 24, 2005 21:29:36 GMT -5
in argentina we got few sicilians, from 1870 to 1900 most italians were from the north, after that most were from the south, calabria, naples
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Post by everythingisalie on Nov 24, 2005 22:05:00 GMT -5
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 24, 2005 22:30:43 GMT -5
great stats, around 5,7 million immigrants came to argentina, but only 3 million and a half stayed, many came to make some money to later return to their countries (inmigrantes golondrinas were called)
immigrants per nationality
italians 1.476.725 spaniards 1.364.321 poles 155.527 russians 114.303 french 105.537 germans 59.895 portuguese 35.470 croats and other southern slavs 31.512 czechs 25.024 english 19.525 others 285.242
I saw one similar for brazil in wiki but they removed it
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 24, 2005 22:32:48 GMT -5
we dont really have so many russians and poles, my guess is the 100.000 jews who came to argentina are included in the russians and poles category.
I wonder if the volga germans are included in the russians or german category.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 24, 2005 22:39:15 GMT -5
Captain Educate Me has Buenos Aires ever elected a Jewish mayor before.
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Post by vgambler33 on Nov 24, 2005 22:40:14 GMT -5
Yep, not that many blacks in Ceará. Even less in Piaui. Ceará looks overwhelmingly mestizo, in my opinion, but more white than it's neighbours. Springa ,what do you consider Romario? Can you post pics of Brazilean mestizos.
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 24, 2005 22:44:32 GMT -5
no, we have been choosing our majors for less than a decade, only 2 elections we have had, before the president chose himself whoever he wanted as major of buenos aires.
our major is son of paraguayans by the way
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Post by Crimson Guard on Nov 24, 2005 22:45:11 GMT -5
I read all of those links before aswel...Here's another one of importance: <<ABSTRACT: The study analyzes Italian emigration to Argentina from Sicily and Calabria between 1880-1930, compared with out-migration flows from Piedmont. The concepts of cultural patrimony and of migratory strategy are used to measure the different potentials and job opportunities in the Argentinean labor market as well as in the Italian context for those returning home. Considering the high proportion of returnees, a positive or negative correlation between region of origin and of destination can be proposed. Southern Italians indicate a more permanent settlement. The authors conclude that the Argentinean society in its Italian component is the result of Southern rather than Northern influences.>> racialreality.shorturl.com/
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Post by vgambler33 on Nov 24, 2005 22:55:30 GMT -5
no, we have been choosing our majors for less than a decade, only 2 elections we have had, before the president chose himself whoever he wanted as major of buenos aires. our major is son of paraguayans by the way Does he consider himself Argentinian. Do Argentinians consider him Argentinian?
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 24, 2005 23:00:53 GMT -5
yes, he is aan argentine,he was born in argentina has argentine accent, culturally an argentine. anibal ibarra
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Post by vgambler33 on Nov 24, 2005 23:10:02 GMT -5
yes, he is aan argentine,he was born in argentina has argentine accent, culturally an argentine. anibal ibarra Is he of white Paraguayan parents.
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 24, 2005 23:12:42 GMT -5
I guess, he looks white to me.
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Post by Springa on Nov 25, 2005 7:23:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess. Lots of Italians in general actually. It's a bit different from the U.S., where it's mostly Sicily. Here, as I said, it's mostly Calabria, Naples and the north. It's funny because it's supposed to be the city with the largest number of pizzerias in the world, but at the same time, stuff like polenta is also very popular, so we incorporated influences from all over Italy in our habits. I just found something on the net saying that the first Italians in Brazil arrived in the south from Veneto and the Tirol in 1875. These guys were settlers, so they all became small landowners. To thi day, their grandchildren are still living there, making cheese, wine, etc... Then, the government started sponsoring trips for Italians, because slavery was abolished and they wanted to replace black labour with European labour. So they brought tons of people from Lombardia, Mantova, Cremona, Calabria and Naples to work in the coffee plantations. These were a different bunch, because they came to be workers, not settlers. The thing is that the landowners were used to having slaves, so they treated the Italians like shit and many left and went to the big city (Sao Paulo), where they became industrial workers. After that, Italy was in a huge crisis, so people from all over the country started to come, probably hearing stories about other Italians who were already here. All of a sudden, in the early 20th century, there were more Italians than Brazilians in Sao Paulo. Crazy shit. 1.512.911 Italians emmigrated to Brazil. Nowadays their descendants are probably 10 times as numerous, maybe more. Springa so Sao Paulo city has alot of Southern Italians then.
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Post by Springa on Nov 25, 2005 7:27:42 GMT -5
I'd say Romario a mostly caucasian Brazilian tri-racial. He's probably half white (maybe more) with lots of ancient indian blood and a bit of black. But I can't prove that. All I know is that although he doesn't show black features and has straight hair, he's pretty dark. In Sao Paulo, people would classify him as "Baiano" (person from Bahia, also a semi-slur used here for northeastern migrants) which is a bit racist, but not hardcore racist if you know what I mean. In Rio, I don't know. Yep, not that many blacks in Ceará. Even less in Piaui. Ceará looks overwhelmingly mestizo, in my opinion, but more white than it's neighbours. Springa ,what do you consider Romario? Can you post pics of Brazilean mestizos.
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