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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 24, 2005 16:57:01 GMT -5
Captain Eduacte Me is Maradona in your country considered White or Mestizo because when his pic was posted on Stormfront the overwhelming majority said he looked Mestizo and not White so which one does he resemble more in your opinion.
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Post by vgambler33 on Nov 24, 2005 16:59:55 GMT -5
I'm always amused at the double-standard between North and South America. It's funny how posters jumped to yell and heckle and criticize the "white rates" I posted about Argentina and Chile. If, on the other hand, I had posted white rates about the United States, scarcely a single one of the nitpickers would have brought up how many white Americans have Indian ancestry But Americans have a sort of amnesia. They won't discount the white status of whites in the United States, but they'll leap to discount the white status of phenotypically Caucasoid people in Argentina. What hypocrisy. (But, sadly, it was predictable.) Educate me is Argentinian,Springa is from Brazil they are not White Americans.
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Post by vgambler33 on Nov 24, 2005 17:00:58 GMT -5
Captain Eduacte Me is Maradona in your country considered White or Mestizo because when his pic was posted on Stormfront the overwhelming majority said he looked Mestizo and not White so which one does he resemble more in your opinion. I read that Maradona was called"cabecita negra"(little black head) a term applied to Mestizos in Argentina.
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Post by kingpin on Nov 24, 2005 17:07:50 GMT -5
interesting, i didnt think that this many people in the americas were part european. Did Spain actually have large scale immigration to south and central america?
weird how they interbred with the natives in south/central america but in north america they remained more seperate
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Post by yigal on Nov 24, 2005 17:11:36 GMT -5
interesting, i didnt think that this many people in the americas were part european. Did Spain actually have large scale immigration to south and central america? weird how they interbred with the natives in south/central america but in north america they remained more seperate yes, of course, i mean honestly even mestizos are rightfull heirs to iberian identity, the are the spawn of Male Iberians,which came in large droves and took local females
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 24, 2005 17:13:03 GMT -5
They didn't remain that seperate in the U.S since over 30% of White Americans have either Amerindian ancestors or black ancestors or both.30% out of 200 million Whites thats alot of mixed Whites walking around this country.
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Post by asdf on Nov 24, 2005 17:14:29 GMT -5
What do you mean part European? Almost everyone on both continents has at least some European admixture.
It's not weird at all. For one thing, it's not really true. there are only a couple of dozen million more whites in Anglo-America than Latin-America.
The main divisions should be these:
Anglo-America, where there were few natives, and where massive immigration was the rule from the beginning.
Latin Central-America, where it was packed with former Indian empires and mestizos and Indians remain today the majority. Also little negro slaves.
The rest of Latin America--heavy European immigration after a while, from Germany, Portugal, Italy, Spain, etc... few natives.
And the Carribean--Indians wiped out early. Slaves more necessary for plantation work. European immigration not as heavy as slave importation.
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 24, 2005 17:18:04 GMT -5
maradona is a cabezita negra
black little head, mestizo
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 24, 2005 17:32:29 GMT -5
Maradona looks terrible, he looks so fat and out of shape.I bet everytime he went to a churrascaria in Argentina he closed the restaurant down for the rest of the day because he eat everything in sight.
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Post by Springa on Nov 24, 2005 20:38:56 GMT -5
You can count me as a swarthoid, and I'm argueing about this because it's something I know about from living in the region which makes it easier for me to gather more information than someone living on the other side of the world. No racial agenda here, I don't care. I'm picky about mistakes and sloppyness though. I have no interest whatsoever in making some people look white or non white. It doesn't matter to me at all. What I care about, though is misinformation and wrong data. And that CIA factbook has a lot of wrong data. I could have said bullshit, but I said balloney because it's more polite. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Crimson, Springa, Educate Me, me, Eufrenio we're all swarthoids with Latin/Southern European backgrounds, with not a much of an interest in the US. None of us got irascible--saying "balloney" is not getting angry--and I don't believe any of us is unbalanced. Thanks yet again though. Go back to reading your conspiracy theories now. How many Americans would even consider me or Springa white? Why again do you think we all think like typical Americans? You again don't know what you're talking about. There's no slur to that. You've called us insane though.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 24, 2005 20:41:56 GMT -5
The CIA census says the U.S is over 80% White so yeah you have to take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by Springa on Nov 24, 2005 20:43:36 GMT -5
Yeah, but the IBGE census is based on what people claim to be, not what they necessarily are. That's why I took 10% out because a lot of people want to be white for obvious reasons, but not that many want to be mulatos or whatever else they are. And don't get me wrong, I'm not defending craniometric and genetic tests, or anything like that. It's just that people will claim to be whatever they wanna be, so the census is not the best way to judge. It may give an indication, but it's not the real thing when it comes to race. Specially in a country like Brazil where race is such a relativistic concept. Hey Springa according to IBGE census on Sao Paulo its 71% White not 60% White like you said.
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Post by Springa on Nov 24, 2005 20:46:24 GMT -5
Yep, not that many blacks in CearĂ¡. Even less in Piaui. CearĂ¡ looks overwhelmingly mestizo, in my opinion, but more white than it's neighbours. Speaking of the Nordeste I went to there I noticed that Fortaleza unlike Salvador doesen't have alot of pure unmixed African looking Blacks, the ones in Fortaleza were more mixed race looking so I didn't see alot of Wesley Snipes types in Fortaleza but I did see alot in Salvador though but even in Salvador I wouldn't say the majority looked like Nigerians I would say most looked like typical Mulattos that you see during Carnival but the pure looking types there were still way more significant than they are compared to Fortaleza where they resembled Caboclos/Pardos more probably because the Amerindian genes are stronger in Fortaleza than they are in Salvador.
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Post by Springa on Nov 24, 2005 20:51:22 GMT -5
Forget about Stormfront and their paranoid crap. Hey Captain Educate Me I have even seen some Stormfront posters in the Latin Section of that site put the White figure in Argentina at as low as 50% atleast based on their definition of White.
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Post by Springa on Nov 24, 2005 21:04:20 GMT -5
In Brazil it goes like this: In the south it's mostly North Italians from the Veneto region. In Sao Paulo city, they come from all over Italy, but the main groups seem to be Calabria, Napoli, Sicily, Veneto and miscelaneous places in the north. In the countryside in the state of Sao Paulo, I believe it's more Northern Italy in general. From what I read the majority if not the total Italian immigrants to Argentina are of Sicilian decent or lesser extent Southern Italian(which are basically the same). Not sure of Brazil,but could be similar.
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