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Post by Drooperdoo on Nov 21, 2005 17:34:27 GMT -5
I was always curious that, when geneticists looked into Jewish dna, they were surprised that Jews were not particularly closely related to Arabs. The dna placed their origins further north, with their closest relatives not being Semites at all, but Indo-Iranian groups like the Kurds and Armenians. Studying the origins of the Hyksos recently, I learned that they are thought to have originated as part of the Hurrian civilization that originated in the Caucasus Mountains and swept south into the Middle East. According to Wikipedia, "It is believed by some scholars that the Hurrians mixed with their neighbors, such as the Armenians after arriving in the Caucasus around 2700 BC from an unknown place. Another theory is that the Armenians came to the Caucasus with the Hurrians from the Indo-European homeland." So Armenians are associated with the Hurrians. Now look at this archaeological discovery [also written about on Wikipedia]: The Tikunani Prism is an eight and a half inch square clay artifact with an Akkadian cuneiform inscription listing the names of the Habiru soldiers of King Tunip-Teššup of Tikunani (a small N. Mesopotamian kingdom). This king was a contemporary of King Hattusili I of the Hittites (around 1550 BC). The discovery of this prism generated substantial excitement, for it provided much-needed fresh evidence about the nature of the Habiru (or Hapiru). It turns out that the majority of Tunip-Tessup's 438 Habiru servants had Hurrian names that could not be explained by reference to any Canaanite language (the family to which Hebrew belongs) or even Semitic. The remaining names were Semitic, and one was Kassite. The prism's discovery also brought into question the earlier suggestion of some scholars that the Habiru were never an ethnic group. So the "Habiru" were part of the Hurrians, who swept south into the Middle East. This would answer why Jewish dna clusters closer to Armenian dna than to Arab. And, since the Hurrians originated in the Caucasus [as hypothesized due to linguistic and archaeological evidence), did the "Habiru" too find their origins in the Caucasus? So are Jews really related to Georgians and Armenians? (It's really not a long distance from Georgia to Israel, all things considered.) Look at this map. Kurdistan is the map's focus. But look at how Georgia is right above it, Armenia right next to it, and Israel toward the bottom left. These countries are all within walking-distance.
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Post by Agrippa on Nov 21, 2005 17:50:07 GMT -5
Since Armenoids are more dominant in Jews than Orientalids are, thats to some degree true, yes, but on the other hand, speaking about the origins, I'd say that a Semitic group, like most Semits more Orientalid, came into the region and simply "converted" many other locals, which were, more Armenoid. During the later expansions and migrations even more Armenoids came in together with other racial elements not that common in original Semits to put it that way.
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Post by zathuras on Nov 21, 2005 17:58:30 GMT -5
I was always curious that, when geneticists looked into Jewish dna, they were surprised that Jews were not particularly closely related to Arabs. The dna placed their origins further north, with their closest relatives not being Semites at all, but Indo-Iranian groups like the Kurds and Armenians. Studying the origins of the Hyksos recently, I learned that they are thought to have originated as part of the Hurrian civilization that originated in the Caucasus Mountains and swept south into the Middle East. According to Wikipedia, "It is believed by some scholars that the Hurrians mixed with their neighbors, such as the Armenians after arriving in the Caucasus around 2700 BC from an unknown place. Another theory is that the Armenians came to the Caucasus with the Hurrians from the Indo-European homeland." So Armenians are associated with the Hurrians. Now look at this archaeological discovery [also written about on Wikipedia]: The Tikunani Prism is an eight and a half inch square clay artifact with an Akkadian cuneiform inscription listing the names of the Habiru soldiers of King Tunip-Teššup of Tikunani (a small N. Mesopotamian kingdom). This king was a contemporary of King Hattusili I of the Hittites (around 1550 BC). The discovery of this prism generated substantial excitement, for it provided much-needed fresh evidence about the nature of the Habiru (or Hapiru). It turns out that the majority of Tunip-Tessup's 438 Habiru servants had Hurrian names that could not be explained by reference to any Canaanite language (the family to which Hebrew belongs) or even Semitic. The remaining names were Semitic, and one was Kassite. The prism's discovery also brought into question the earlier suggestion of some scholars that the Habiru were never an ethnic group. So the "Habiru" were part of the Hurrians, who swept south into the Middle East. This would answer why Jewish dna clusters closer to Armenian dna than to Arab. And, since the Hurrians originated in the Caucasus [as hypothesized due to linguistic and archaeological evidence), did the "Habiru" too find their origins in the Caucasus? So are Jews really related to Georgians and Armenians? (It's really not a long distance from Georgia to Israel, all things considered.) Based on phenotype its more than obvious that oriental jews look more like turks and armenians than they do arabs. So yeah, I think Hebrew origin in the caucasus is true.
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Post by yigal on Nov 21, 2005 19:06:06 GMT -5
I was always curious that, when geneticists looked into Jewish dna, they were surprised that Jews were not particularly closely related to Arabs. The dna placed their origins further north, with their closest relatives not being Semites at all, but Indo-Iranian groups like the Kurds and Armenians. Studying the origins of the Hyksos recently, I learned that they are thought to have originated as part of the Hurrian civilization that originated in the Caucasus Mountains and swept south into the Middle East. According to Wikipedia, "It is believed by some scholars that the Hurrians mixed with their neighbors, such as the Armenians after arriving in the Caucasus around 2700 BC from an unknown place. Another theory is that the Armenians came to the Caucasus with the Hurrians from the Indo-European homeland." So Armenians are associated with the Hurrians. Now look at this archaeological discovery [also written about on Wikipedia]: The Tikunani Prism is an eight and a half inch square clay artifact with an Akkadian cuneiform inscription listing the names of the Habiru soldiers of King Tunip-Teššup of Tikunani (a small N. Mesopotamian kingdom). This king was a contemporary of King Hattusili I of the Hittites (around 1550 BC). The discovery of this prism generated substantial excitement, for it provided much-needed fresh evidence about the nature of the Habiru (or Hapiru). It turns out that the majority of Tunip-Tessup's 438 Habiru servants had Hurrian names that could not be explained by reference to any Canaanite language (the family to which Hebrew belongs) or even Semitic. The remaining names were Semitic, and one was Kassite. The prism's discovery also brought into question the earlier suggestion of some scholars that the Habiru were never an ethnic group. So the "Habiru" were part of the Hurrians, who swept south into the Middle East. This would answer why Jewish dna clusters closer to Armenian dna than to Arab. And, since the Hurrians originated in the Caucasus [as hypothesized due to linguistic and archaeological evidence), did the "Habiru" too find their origins in the Caucasus? So are Jews really related to Georgians and Armenians? (It's really not a long distance from Georgia to Israel, all things considered.) Based on phenotype its more than obvious that oriental jews look more like turks and armenians than they do arabs. So yeah, I think Hebrew origin in the caucasus is true. is it such a surprise they are related to kurds? Abraham was from Terach which is now called Charan Kurdistan, Abraham was not no friggin armenian, armenian armenoids are diffrent, Abraham was Aramid armenoid, Caucasic armenoids are broadfaced ugloids
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Post by zathuras on Nov 21, 2005 19:23:19 GMT -5
Caucasic armenoids are broadfaced ugloids Which is what oriental jews are.
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Post by Agrippa on Nov 21, 2005 19:25:27 GMT -5
I think you are right to point to a Southern Armenoid (sub) type of Armenoids, but did you invent the term Aramid or did you read it somewhere? If you mean with significant (heavy-robust) Orientalid influence Assyrid would be an equivalent. This type is not really that narrow faced though...
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Post by Drooperdoo on Nov 21, 2005 19:26:16 GMT -5
I've always wondered what language the Israelites spoke before adopting the dialect of Canaanite that we call "Hebrew". Most people assume that Hebrew was born with Jewish dna. Not so. In recorded history, they've adopted a slew of different languages. Some Semitic, some Indo-European. They went from Hebrew to Aramaic to Ladino and Yiddish. So Hebrew is no more "Jewish" than Yiddish is. It's a borrowed language from more powerful neighbors. So what language did the Hebrews speak BEFORE coming under Canaanite influence? The archaeological discovery of that prism probably gives us an insight, since all the "Apiru" men had Hurrian names. And the Hurrian language is akin to modern Caucasian languages still spoken today. I'm really excited by this discovery.
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Post by zathuras on Nov 21, 2005 19:36:41 GMT -5
I've always wondered what language the Israelites spoke before adopting the dialect of Canaanite that we call "Hebrew". Most people assume that Hebrew was born with Jewish dna. Not so. In recorded history, they've adopted a slew of different languages. Some Semitic, some Indo-European. They went from Hebrew to Aramaic to Ladino and Yiddish. So Hebrew is no more "Jewish" than Yiddish is. It's a borrowed language from more powerful neighbors. So what language did the Hebrews speak BEFORE coming under Canaanite influence? The archaeological discovery of that prism probably gives us an insight, since all the "Apiru" men had Hurrian names. And the Hurrian language is akin to modern Caucasian languages still spoken today. I'm really excited by this discovery. I think Hebrew is regarded as the true jewish lang because the various other languages including aramaic were written in the aramaic block script used to write hebrew, yiddish, ladino, judeo arabic, judeo farsi today.
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Post by asdf on Nov 21, 2005 19:37:20 GMT -5
Wait a second, define:
Mtebid Zentralidarmenid Anadolid Syrid (Or did I just make this one up. If I remember right it's equivalent to Coon's small-Irano Afghan/Cappedocian Mediterranean. Assyrid
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Post by Agrippa on Nov 21, 2005 20:00:17 GMT -5
Wait a second, define: Mtebid Zentralidarmenid Anadolid Syrid (Or did I just make this one up. If I remember right it's equivalent to Coon's small-Irano Afghan/Cappedocian Mediterranean. Assyrid I think you mean me, so I answer. Well, I already explained on various occasions, but in a short version: Classic textbook Armenids are in the centre (Zentralarmenid), both geographically and in the centre of the Armenoid spectrum. Northern Armenoids which are borderline Dinaroid are Mtebids/Kaukasids (tall, unreduced, clear cut features). West of the centre you find Anadolids which are Armenoids influenced by Eastmediterranids (Cappadocian variant of Eastmediterranids if you want), narrower face, nose and skull, finer featured, more gracile. Assyrid I already explained, is Orientalid influenced Southern Armenoid variant, rather heavy build, not that tall. The geographical distribution is not that clear cut though, since almost Dinaroid like Armenoids occur even in Syria, unreduced, tall, often even lighter leptomorphic variants.
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Post by Yankel on Nov 21, 2005 20:01:10 GMT -5
I think Hebrew is regarded as the true jewish lang because the various other languages including aramaic were written in the aramaic block script used to write hebrew, yiddish, ladino, judeo arabic, judeo farsi today. ur signature violates board rules
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Post by yigal on Nov 21, 2005 20:05:02 GMT -5
Caucasic armenoids are broadfaced ugloids Which is what oriental jews are. no idiot , Oriental Jews are Narrow Faced Armenoids and therefore elegant not ugloid!
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Post by zathuras on Nov 21, 2005 20:05:24 GMT -5
I think Hebrew is regarded as the true jewish lang because the various other languages including aramaic were written in the aramaic block script used to write hebrew, yiddish, ladino, judeo arabic, judeo farsi today. ur signature violates board rules how come? was it too big?
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Post by zathuras on Nov 21, 2005 20:06:52 GMT -5
Which is what oriental jews are. no idiot , Oriental Jews are Narrow Faced Armenoids and therefore elegant not ugloid! There are two types of oriental jews. The narrow faced aryeh deri type and the broad faced obadiah josef type.
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Post by yigal on Nov 21, 2005 20:11:40 GMT -5
no idiot , Oriental Jews are Narrow Faced Armenoids and therefore elegant not ugloid! There are two types of oriental jews. The narrow faced aryeh deri type and the broad faced obadiah josef type. aryeh deri is just ugly, and not really armenoid by any definition at least not prestine, caucasic armenoids are ugly broadfaced with skinny features like that georgian woman posted
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