Did Hebrews Originate in the Caucasus?

[klabauter]

I know that Sumerians are not Semitic but they somehow resemble Iraqis.I amsure you while find them in there Genepool.




A popular German Jew compared to the knesset man.

[yigal]

sorry buddy fact is genetics dont lie and all jews are related to eachother, and your just upset because u have no identity, what are you Canaanite? Arabian invader? Philistine?(greek!)

genetics prooves you are Mongrel Mixes of Syrians,Egyptians,Arabians and Negroids, Ma fish filasteen Sharmutta

[klabauter]

I feel sorry for you ,you are nothing but a poor washed out Latin Jew who has no real Identity and that is why you embrace yourself onto the fictional heritage because most of you Jews are mixed and that's why you outside Jews have a importance complex.
Do you actually speak Hebrew?

[Curious6]

Don't misinterpret or misread what I said. In no part of the post did I claim the two ethnic groups were unrelated and that the claim was utterly ridiculous. What I did mention, however, was that the genetic relatedness had to do with the similar lack of elevated frequencies of Eu10 chromosomes (don't know to what YCC nomenclature that haplogroup corresponds, but I suppose it is equivalent to the 'J' haplogroup), and not necessiraly with the groups sharing a more recent ethnic origin than with the surrounding arabs. The influx of Arabians from diverse parts of the peninsula in the 7th and subsequent centuries is what differentiates the Northern and Southern Semitic groups.

[Yankel]

drooperdoo said:

You said that ANYBODY who thinks that Kurds and Armenians are genetically close to Jews has a profound ignorance of genetics.

Hmm. I don't think so. I'm pretty sure he said that Arabs oftentimes show up as distinct from these populations because many were racially/genetically Arabized, like I tried to tell you some three months ago.

Point being, it's kind of silly to postulate a Jewish origin in the Caucasus simply because Kurds, Armenians and Anatolian Turks cluster with Jews.

[asdf]

Exactly.

[Drooperdoo]

Ok. Let me get this straight. The world's top geneticists say that the two closest groups to Jews are Kurds and Armenians. And these groups all live within a few hundred miles of each other--but you're saying: It's impossible for them to have a common origin in the past?
Let's look at the map once again--just to keep the geography in context . . . looking at how close Armenia, Kurdistan and Georgia are to Israel.



So the genetics and geographical proximity are coincidences?

I mean, you acted like I said that Chinamen originated in Argentina. You can look at this map of the Middle East and see how close all these countries are together. You could walk from one to the other in an hour's time.

But your position is what? --The genetic similarities are a coincidence?

Please elaborate on why it's impossible for these groups to have at one point been related. . . .

[asdf]

Ok. Let me get this straight. The world's top geneticists say that the two closest groups to Jews are Kurds and Armenians. And--coincidentally--these groups all live within a few hundred miles of each other--but you're saying: They're unrelated???

No one said they were unrelated entirely. You're confusing present day national borders with history.

[Drooperdoo]

Will,
Explain how I'm confusing current national boundaries with history?
I mentioned the Hurrians, who were from the Caucus region. "Hurria" isn't a modern national border. So what am I confusing it with?
Please explain.
You make a statement, but don't back it up with an example.


P.S.--Please feel free to cut and paste a comment that you found fault with, and juxtapose it to what the geneticists and archaeologists said. I specifically want a single example of where a comment I made was so far off-base. Just one.
Hopefully, those quick to lob insults and accusations will condescend to back up their ridicule with a specific example.

[Yankel]

The Caucasus were populated from the Fertile Crescent. On top of that, Abraham was from Kurdistan. What's so shocking about Jews being nearly indistinguishable from Kurds? Clearly, everyone agrees that there is an obvious relatedness.

[Drooperdoo]

Yankel,
Abraham is a fictitious creation. But ignoring your confusion of history with religion---

Wikipedia says of the Hurrians: "The Hurrians were a people of the Ancient Near East, who lived in northern Mesopotamia and areas to the immediate east and west, beginning approximately 2500 BC. They probably originated in the Caucasus and entered from the north."
Yankel, you jumped to say, "The Caucus was populated from the Fertile Crescent" but that refers to its INITIAL population. That doesn't speak at all to LATER migrations which went back south from North. The Hurrians are an example of a southern trend. Like the Hittites, the Hyksos, the Sumerians, etc. All these people traveled south from the north.
Your comment about the INITIAL population of the Caucus is irrelevant and has nothing whatever to do with what I was talking about. Yet you used it as some sort of refutation.
My God! Are you really saying that, since Mankind emerged from Africa and went north from the Fertile Crescent to the Caucus that there was never any movement back south?
Please tell me you're not saying that.
And if you're not, why did you lob that remark at me?
Your elaborations will be much appreciated.

* Wikipedia on the Hyksos: "Wolfgang Helck argued that the Hyksos were part of massive and widespread Hurrian and Indo-Aryan migrations into the Near East. According to Helck, the Hyksos were Hurrians and part of a Hurrian empire that, he claimed, extended over much of Western Asia at this period."

[asdf]

drooperdoo said:

Yankel,
Abraham is a fictitious creation. But ignoring your confusion of history with religion---

Wikipedia says of the Hurrians: "The Hurrians were a people of the Ancient Near East, who lived in northern Mesopotamia and areas to the immediate east and west, beginning approximately 2500 BC. They probably originated in the Caucasus and entered from the north."
Yankel, you jumped to say, "The Caucus was populated from the Fertile Crescent" but that refers to its INITIAL population. That doesn't speak at all to LATER migrations which went back south from North. The Hurrians are an example of a southern trend. Like the Hittites, or the Sumerians. All these people traveled south from the north.
Your comment about the INITIAL population of the Caucus is irrelevant and has nothing whatever to dow ith what I was talking abhout. Yet you used it as some sort of refutation.
My God! Are you really saying that, since Mankind emerged from Africa and went north from the Fertile Crescent to the Caucus that there was never any movement back south?
Please tell me you're not saying that.
And if you're not, why did you lob that remark at me?
Your elaborations will be much appreciated.

That was cheap, Drooperdoo. The Hurrians' origin is still up for debate, and your misquote shows it:

The Hurrians were a people of the Ancient Near East, who lived in northern Mesopotamia and areas to the immediate east and west, beginning approximately 2500 BC. They probably originated in the Caucasus and entered from the north, but this is not certain. Their known homeland was centred in Subar, the Khabur River valley, and later they established themselves as rulers of small kingdoms throughout northern Mesopotamia and Syria. The largest and most influential Hurrian nation was the kingdom of Mitanni, which lasted from ca. 1450 BC until its destruction by Assyria in ca. 1270 BC.

[Drooperdoo]

Will,
I didn't give a misquotation. I just ended the sentence and didn't include the rest of a lengthy and irrelevant paragraph. As to the Hurrian origins in the Caucus, it rests not just with archaeology but with linguistics. Look up the Caucus Language group and read up on the Hurrian language.
And once again: I must refer you to that map which reminds us all of the incredibly small spaces we're dealing with.
I'm not saying Frenchmen came from Australia. I'm offering the possibility that Jews may have come from fifty miles further north. Sheesh!
You guys are getting so friggin' irrational.

[asdf]

Read the sentence I underlined, Drooper--

They probably originated in the Caucasus and entered from the north, but this is not certain.

You cut that sentence short out on purpose.

[asdf]

What you have is this--

"They probably originated in the Caucasus and entered from the north." <--Period.