Arabs destroying Berberia since the 7th century

[Baladi]

Considering that most of the population was between Luxor to Aswan I would say that is more than enough to dilute the original population. These migrations did not just come in during the Greco-Roman period but also around the 26th dyansty.


The population of modern Egypt is 86 million approximate people,and mostly concentrated in the North around the Delta. In the past the population was no more than 1 million to 5 million based upon estimates. Most of the population of antiquity was in Luxor-Aswan area.


Only untill about the time of Mohammed Ali did the population begin to triple into numbers like 23 million people.


Consider also that in many regions the land from the Fellahin was taken and Arab tribes were put in their place. This is a known fact that many Fellahin left and fled their villages during the Islamic era due to heavy taxiation.





You often point out that the depictions of ancient Egyptians donot look like Nubians,but in reality none of them look like people like Butros Butros Ghali,Makram Ubeid,or any prominent modern Egyptian offical you post.





We don't really know the impact of each of the ethnic groups that migrated into Egypt during the Islamic period because there has been no real genetic testing from the Delta down to Aswan. When real genetic tests on the entire population of Egypt,and not just certain communities I will believe this.



What we need is Dna extraction from the pre-dyanstic and dyanstic bones to determine the following relationship. I have seen only one example of this.

[alexandrian]

Look at this study done by Loring Brace on Predynastic and Late Dynastic Egyptians, they grouped with Caucasians. The Lower Egyptians grouped in between Berber North Africans and Neolithic Swiss. Upper Egyptians on fringe of Caucasoid group but still closer than India.



This Craniometric map was compiled using data studied by WW Howell

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Both of these compiled with Ancient Egyptian data.

[Baladi]

I am familar with the Brace map but the Upper Egyptians still are closer to Somalia than to India in the map. One thing I notice about Brace is he compares the sub-Saharan African series to modern day people living in Benin. Why not include Sahelian Africans or the elongated Nilotics in his data.


Earlier published works have shown the pre-dyanstic Badarian people were very close to the Teita people of Eastern African.


Also Howells studied the pre-dyanstic Giza E series and found them to be intermediate between Western Europeans and sub-saharan Africans.


Still what I am looking for is data on Dna studies on pre-dyanstic remains using PCR sequencing.



I have some of these works but I unfortunately don't have a scanner to scan the following.

[alexandrian]

Baladi said:

I am familar with the Brace map but the Upper Egyptians still are closer to Somalia than to India in the map. One thing I notice about Brace is he compares the sub-Saharan African series to modern day people living in Benin. Why not include Sahelian Africans or the elongated Nilotics in his data.


Earlier published works have shown the pre-dyanstic Badarian people were very close to the Teita people of Eastern African.


Also Howells studied the pre-dyanstic Giza E series and found them to be intermediate between Western Europeans and sub-saharan Africans.


Still what I am looking for is data on Dna studies on pre-dyanstic remains using PCR sequencing.



I have some of these works but I unfortunately don't have a scanner to scan the following.

The Upper Egyptians are still on the Caucasoid sphere and closer to Caucasoid groups than anything else. According to this map they are more Caucasoid than Indians. Furthermore, the Howell map (if you can see it i dont know why it doesnt work) shows the Giza series to be almost wholly Caucasoid, in fact a little moreso than some of the European series he studied.

[Baladi]

The Upper Egyptians are still on the Caucasoid sphere and closer to Caucasoid groups than anything else. According to this map they are more Caucasoid than Indians. Furthermore, the Howell map (if you can see it i dont know why it doesnt work) shows the Giza series to be almost wholly Caucasoid, in fact a little moreso than some of the European series he studied.

This sounds more like you attaching the term caucasoid to people. Brace actually does not believe in racial classifications like negriod,caucasoid,mongolid....etc.




The cline cluster mape that Brace contructs is only as good as the ethnic samples he takes. In that same cluster map he clusters aboriginees with sub-Saharan Africans,and we know that these two groups are not genetically related.



I am not speaking of the Howells map of the 26th dyansty. What I am talking about is his study of late-predyanstic remains in Giza. The Egyptian 26th dyansty sample for the Howells database does not represent the pre-dyanstic samples.

[topdog]

Alexandrian said:

The Upper Egyptians are still on the Caucasoid sphere and closer to Caucasoid groups than anything else. According to this map they are more Caucasoid than Indians. Furthermore, the Howell map (if you can see it i dont know why it doesnt work) shows the Giza series to be almost wholly Caucasoid, in fact a little moreso than some of the European series he studied.

The Egyptians from Howells crania aren't even a typical Egyptian sample, lol!

[alexandrian]

Charlie said:

The Egyptians from Howells crania aren't even a typical Egyptian sample, lol!

Oh really? And how can you prove that?

[amksa]

zain said:

that is a social conflict in north Africa between Berber speaker (minority) and Arabinized Berber (the majority ) so both of them are actually Berber not arab , we arab have no economic interest ,nor political interest in north Africa ,in other meaning it does not matter to us ,if they wont to be arab and join the arab league ,or if they wont to be Berber or European or African ,it is all up to them , their identity is in their hand not in our.
i feel sad for what is happening there , but i should state it clear that we have no business with any thing going on in north Africa ,incase if any one thought the conflict is between arab and Berber.

interesting post... i have a qustion though : who are the arabs ? what makes someone a "real" arab ?

[racialgenius]

what the heck is berberia???


the first berber was a yellow man who spoke yellow man language and was basically a nationalist, he later claimed north africa for his people.

berber means beard in french, they were yellow man criminals who settled in what today is called barbary coast by americans in 15th century. Their crimes were mostly for killing greeks.

the first so called "berber" was known to spics as barbarosa, he was born in what was then the occupied territories you now call greece. His yellow name was heydering hojuk, and his crime was murder of 149 greek women, men and children and was punished for it, he left the ottoman empire and pirated ships. the spaniards called his band of turkish pirates cursovos barbaros, which means bearded pirates, the french called them berber corsair.

a berber is over all name given to everyone who lived on the barbary coast, which were arabs.

[Berter]

You should stop calling yourself racialgenius, ..know the basics! ;D

[amksa]

racialgenius said:

what the heck is berberia???


the first berber was a yellow man who spoke yellow man language and was basically a nationalist, he later claimed north africa for his people.

berber means beard in french, they were yellow man criminals who settled in what today is called barbary coast by americans in 15th century. Their crimes were mostly for killing greeks.

the first so called "berber" was known to spics as barbarosa, he was born in what was then the occupied territories you now call greece. His yellow name was heydering hojuk, and his crime was murder of 149 greek women, men and children and was punished for it, he left the ottoman empire and pirated ships. the spaniards called his band of turkish pirates cursovos barbaros, which means bearded pirates, the french called them berber corsair.

a berber is over all name given to everyone who lived on the barbary coast, which were arabs.

are you some kind of retarted lunatic ? it seems that you mixed your facts. what is a yellow man ? do you write for science-fiction and Fantasy tv shows like "farscape" ?

[cunjar]

racialgenius said:

what the heck is berberia???


the first berber was a yellow man who spoke yellow man language and was basically a nationalist, he later claimed north africa for his people.

berber means beard in french, they were yellow man criminals who settled in what today is called barbary coast by americans in 15th century. Their crimes were mostly for killing greeks.

the first so called "berber" was known to spics as barbarosa, he was born in what was then the occupied territories you now call greece. His yellow name was heydering hojuk, and his crime was murder of 149 greek women, men and children and was punished for it, he left the ottoman empire and pirated ships. the spaniards called his band of turkish pirates cursovos barbaros, which means bearded pirates, the french called them berber corsair.

a berber is over all name given to everyone who lived on the barbary coast, which were arabs.

1 yellow man killed 149 greeks.....................LOLOL, your 1 stupid mofo racialgenius

[zain]

Amksa said:

interesting post... i have a qustion though : who are the arabs ? what makes someone a "real" arab ?

the term arab evolve over time ,today it means any one who's native language is arabic .As you know the middle east is very divers .what make our identity and what make a Syrian ,Egyptian ,Iraqi and Yemeni think he is an arab ,is the culture that we share .

pan arab was a secular movement raised to fight the Turkish colonisation in the arab world ,and later Israel conflict ,the movement founded in levant ,supported by Iraq , sympathised by Egyptian ,rejected by Saudi . I don't believe in arabisem because it mainly divide the Moslems in the middeleast to arab and non arab ,and obviously there is no racial base for this kind of deviation ,for me there is no different between Egyptian and Iranian ,or Pakistan and Moroccan . My alternative for Arabisim would be liberal Islam , Islam because it is the soul of unity between all those nations ,liberal because it is based in economic interest not based in emotion ,or religious ideology.

[greatness]

The term Arab is ambigous because the true Arabs come form the Arabian peninsula up to about souther Jordan. The rest are bastardized ppl. For example the Lebanese were originally Phonecian. Here is a small list of some of the cultures the Arabs destroyed

-Southern Yemenite civs
-nothern Arabian civs
-Babylonian civs
-Persian civ
-Phonecian civ
-Egyptian civ (Romans destroyed most of it Arabs finished the job)
-varoius other throughout the near east

For this reason Arab is only a cultural term and cannot accurately be used to morphologically or genetically describe any groups other than the Arabian peninsula.