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Post by Soomaal on May 13, 2005 19:04:13 GMT -5
This guy looks like some of my young cousins.
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Post by mike2 on May 13, 2005 22:07:08 GMT -5
I just think he looks weird. If the AE Amarna depictions were intended to be realistic, Tut looks like a member of a race that doesn't exist anymore.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 0:55:28 GMT -5
I just think he looks weird. If the AE Amarna depictions were intended to be realistic, Tut looks like a member of a race that doesn't exist anymore. I think the reconstruction better tells us how he looked.
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Post by Wadaad on May 14, 2005 1:09:25 GMT -5
Assuming that he was really as dark as the Egyptian busts, if King Tut were alive today, I think they would invent a new word for him. Because the actual Egyptian busts of him don't look North African Caucasian, Middle Eastern, or East African Negroid. It's like he's something else entirely. I mean, show me one Egyptian, Berber, or Aethiopid alive today that has the same striking ambiguous look as the boy king. Of course, you could argue it's simply exaggerrated Amarna stylization, but I somehow don't believe that. I'm not saying Tutankhamun is a Nubian, but this Nubian kid does slightly resemble the Amarna bust
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 1:10:43 GMT -5
I'm not saying Tutankhamun is a Nubian, but this Nubian kid does slightly resemble the Amarna bust Not really, you can't even see the actual features of the bust so how can we compare? We need to see the nose and lips in greater detail. Remember people, we know how King Tut looked cuz we have three CT-derived reconstructions that tell us that.
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Post by Wadaad on May 14, 2005 1:16:35 GMT -5
Well Alex lets say that the kid may or may not have resembled the real Tut, but you'd have to be blind to not see the resemblance between the kid and that bust. The nose and lips are clearly displayed there, and they do have the same overall look/demeanort...the fact that the boy is from North Sudan bordering upper Egypt makes coincidence even further unlikely
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Post by mike2 on May 14, 2005 1:21:35 GMT -5
That black boy comes pretty close. But perhaps what sets them apart is the black boy's lips are slightly thicker and his nasal bridge is not as prominent as it is in Tut's. There is certainly a strong continuity of features, though.
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Post by Wadaad on May 14, 2005 1:26:34 GMT -5
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Post by mike2 on May 14, 2005 1:33:08 GMT -5
I don't really see Nefertiti as Aethiopid. Her features are super-Caucasian-looking to me. Queen Tiye, however, is unmistakeably Negroid.
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Post by Wadaad on May 14, 2005 1:48:31 GMT -5
My point is Egyptian art was highly accurate in depicting the different components that lived there...there were obvious white looking Egyptians as there were black looking ones, something Alex would not agree on, even though that would not make any sense. For example, this man is a Nubian governor from the Nubian conquest of 8th BC...Nubians were obviously black and still are: King Senqamenisken Oromo woman
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Post by topdog on May 14, 2005 8:42:27 GMT -5
I'm not saying Tutankhamun is a Nubian, but this Nubian kid does slightly resemble the Amarna bust I agree there is a definite resemblance there. The same people who called Tut's skull 'North African Caucasian' would call the skull of that Nubian boy the same thing mistakenly.
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Post by Baladi on May 14, 2005 10:44:31 GMT -5
During the Greco-Roman period there was frequent intermarriage between Greeks and Egyptians in all parts of Egypt. Most of it occured in Alexandria,but also in parts of Middle Egypt where Greek settlements.
During the Islamic period Syrian Christians,Armenian Muslims/Christians,Kurds,eastern Europeans,Iranians,and Arabs all came and settled in the urban areas of Egypt.
In the Delta area you had settlements of Arabian tribes around eastern Hawf. This is recorded by Arab historians from this period.
Let me also mention that Jews were settled all over the place from Alexandria to even parts of Aswan. The same goes with Syrians.
Do you realize that the Arabian caliphates imported Arab tibes and settled them around the Delta area? This is a known fact to any historian of Egyptian history during the Middle Ages.
This might also shock people but areas like Minya and Fayoum and Sohag had large companents of bedouin nomads and Berber nomads that settled in these areas.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 13:03:51 GMT -5
I agree there is a definite resemblance there. The same people who called Tut's skull 'North African Caucasian' would call the skull of that Nubian boy the same thing mistakenly. Umm...no. THat is not King tut's skull that is an artist's depiction. There are many differences of the way King Tut was depicted. WE know that REnaissance art was often misleading in the way it portrayed royalty...the same thing was true in the ancient world. The black boy has a completely different nasal shape and thicker lips than King Tut. They don't look alike. And the boy looks nothing like the reconstruction. Also, the boy's lips are thicker and wider.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 13:05:23 GMT -5
During the Greco-Roman period there was frequent intermarriage between Greeks and Egyptians in all parts of Egypt. Most of it occured in Alexandria,but also in parts of Middle Egypt where Greek settlements. During the Islamic period Syrian Christians,Armenian Muslims/Christians,Kurds,eastern Europeans,Iranians,and Arabs all came and settled in the urban areas of Egypt. In the Delta area you had settlements of Arabian tribes around eastern Hawf. This is recorded by Arab historians from this period. Let me also mention that Jews were settled all over the place from Alexandria to even parts of Aswan. The same goes with Syrians. Do you realize that the Arabian caliphates imported Arab tibes and settled them around the Delta area? This is a known fact to any historian of Egyptian history during the Middle Ages. This might also shock people but areas like Minya and Fayoum and Sohag had large companents of bedouin nomads and Berber nomads that settled in these areas. THat's nowhere near enough to completely change the racial makeup of an entire population.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 13:07:14 GMT -5
My point is Egyptian art was highly accurate in depicting the different components that lived there...there were obvious white looking Egyptians as there were black looking ones, something Alex would not agree on, even though that would not make any sense. For example, this man is a Nubian governor from the Nubian conquest of 8th BC...Nubians were obviously black and still are: YOu're right, they were accurate and there were depictions of Egyptians who were ummistakenly Caucasian like the ones you posted. However, I'd also say that Nefertiti looks much more Caucasian to me than Aethopid to Negroid and that Queen Tiye does look racially suspicious, however she does not resemble the Negroid populations living by Egypt. Also, they clearly were able to differentiate between themselves and Nubians. As you say yourself.
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