Octavivs
Full Member
errare hvmanvm est, in errore perservare stvltvm
Posts: 100
|
Post by Octavivs on May 20, 2004 16:56:56 GMT -5
Arawn, I have a Anglo-American history book "O Livro de Ouro da História do Mundo" (The Golden Book of World History) by J.M. Roberts, and everyone non-anglo with a little knowledge will get sick reading it. It is a totaly anglocentrist book, and the only part that talks about Portugal is half page. There are others books who glorify the British and make the Portuguese inferior. Not to say the movies, that never make reference to them. One example is Shogun, a terrible movie based in the book by James Clavell, that shows the Portuguese as a bad stupid people and mulatto in appearance who only want to steal the poor asians. (Not to say that they show the Japanese as stupid sadic retards). But the hero is an British pirate who is the example of inteligence, civilization and fairness. They never show Portuguese, and when they show, they only present us with shit. And in British and American documentaries I saw in the Discovery Channel and others only show shit too.
"Do not obtain your slaves from Britain, because they are so stupid and utterly incapable of being taught that they are not fit to form a part of the household of Athens." (Cicero to Atticus, 1st Century B.C.)
Amém!
|
|
|
Post by Vitor on May 21, 2004 0:10:04 GMT -5
when they say Portuguese are stupid, they are testifying their own stupidity! "Do not obtain your slaves from Britain, because they are so stupid and utterly incapable of being taught that they are not fit to form a part of the household of Athens." (Cicero to Atticus, 1st Century B.C.) that is bad even for the portuguese, I like to think in a western race from portugal and spain to ireland and england. well genetic say that Portuguese and some regions of england ARE VERY VERY CLOSE. IF we are stupid they are stupid and vice-versa I do believe that those guys who build some of those megalithic portuguese monuments (antas), did build the stonehendge and other smaller megalithic treasures in thr british islands also. and I do believe that race is present in more than 50% in what today is the average englishman and portuguese. haplogroups say more to ancestory than anything else...
|
|
Octavivs
Full Member
errare hvmanvm est, in errore perservare stvltvm
Posts: 100
|
Post by Octavivs on May 21, 2004 11:36:22 GMT -5
when they say Portuguese are stupid, they are testifying their own stupidity! "Do not obtain your slaves from Britain, because they are so stupid and utterly incapable of being taught that they are not fit to form a part of the household of Athens." (Cicero to Atticus, 1st Century B.C.) that is bad even for the portuguese, I like to think in a western race from portugal and spain to ireland and england. well genetic say that Portuguese and some regions of england ARE VERY VERY CLOSE. IF we are stupid they are stupid and vice-versa I do believe that those guys who build some of those megalithic portuguese monuments (antas), did build the stonehendge and other smaller megalithic treasures in thr british islands also. and I do believe that race is present in more than 50% in what today is the average englishman and portuguese. haplogroups say more to ancestory than anything else... Hum? What I know is that the Portuguese are in most part Iberian in origin, and that the Enlgish are Germanic. Am I wrong?
|
|
|
Post by alex221166 on May 21, 2004 13:28:02 GMT -5
Hum? What I know is that the Portuguese are in most part Iberian in origin, and that the Enlgish are Germanic. Am I wrong? The British have an ancient Iberian matrix, which together with the UPs, the Celts and the Germanic invaders, ended up forming the modern British population.
|
|
|
Post by Vitor on May 21, 2004 16:52:08 GMT -5
It was that Iberian matrix tha build Stonehendge... Am I right?
|
|
|
Post by alex221166 on May 21, 2004 21:52:08 GMT -5
It was that Iberian matrix tha build Stonehendge... Am I right? That is still a matter of disagreement amongst schollars. Basically, there are three possibilities: a) Iberians migrating to Britain by sea b) continentals migrating to Britain through France c) northern europeans migrating southwards The first two chances are the ones that have any historical support. The last one is the one supported by morons such as Kemp and Karl Earlson.
|
|
|
Post by Graeme on May 22, 2004 8:59:14 GMT -5
Stonehenge was a megalith built by the megalith builders who left lots of similar building from southern Europe to Scandinavia. Personally I think the builders were what are called Altanto-Mediterraneans. They would have colonised Britain from Iberia and what is now France.
|
|
|
Post by geirr on May 23, 2004 6:45:56 GMT -5
This is in the Lonely Planet guide to Australia- 'Europeans began to encroach on Australia in the 16th century: Portuguese navigators were followed by Dutch explorers and the enterprising English pirate William Dampier. Captain James Cook sailed the entire length of the eastern coast in 1770, stopping at Botany Bay on the way. After rounding Cape York, he claimed the continent for the British and named it New South Wales.' Source
|
|
|
Post by alex221166 on May 23, 2004 10:50:54 GMT -5
This is in the Lonely Planet guide to Australia- 'Europeans began to encroach on Australia in the 16th century: Portuguese navigators were followed by Dutch explorers and the enterprising English pirate William Dampier. Captain James Cook sailed the entire length of the eastern coast in 1770, stopping at Botany Bay on the way. After rounding Cape York, he claimed the continent for the British and named it New South Wales.' SourceNow THAT I didn't expect. Usually they would skip the Portuguese and go straight to the Dutch... I believe that in Holland they are building a replica of the ship that "found" Australia.
|
|
|
Post by Vitor on May 23, 2004 18:47:50 GMT -5
I did a google on this subject and found only references to a james cook discovery, preceded by portuguese and dutch landing, with a english pirate in between... I guess the Timor portuguese colony in XVI century didn't make sense...so close... would it be possible no australians sightings with only a few miles between east timor and australia? Of course not...
|
|
DSL
New Member
Posts: 8
|
Post by DSL on May 24, 2004 5:23:16 GMT -5
I sense three different feelings of injustice running through this thread, one that English historians pay little attention to the Portuguese (this feeling I find only slightly justified, as the victor writes the books and it makes you Ports seem somewhat effeminate and in need of praise/attention) two that English historians and Hollywood producers villify/dumb down the Portuguese (I find this feeling justified, it is not pleasant to see one's people slandered) and three that the English consider themselves superior to the Portuguese (this feeling is not justified at all, as the English ARE superior to the Portuguese in almost every way. The fact that they go about presenting it in a less than 100% honest manner should not in any way take away from their superior accomplishments, and the fact that they are superior does not mean that the Portuguese have done nothing).
|
|
|
Post by SwordandCompass on May 24, 2004 5:34:12 GMT -5
Someone is feeling a bit jealous! dsl (d*ick sucking lips) keep both eyes open, you never know when the iberian Portuguese lobo (wolf) will attack!You are not worthy of a reasonable response.
|
|
DSL
New Member
Posts: 8
|
Post by DSL on May 24, 2004 6:01:44 GMT -5
Someone is feeling a bit jealous! Yes, I do wish I was a swarthy, backwards freeloading Lusitanian Isn't that the kind of inane banter that got you banned the first time around, Peres?
|
|
|
Post by SwordandCompass on May 24, 2004 6:32:00 GMT -5
I did not get Banned.now back to the bowels of hell from whence you came from...
|
|
|
Post by alex221166 on May 24, 2004 6:35:50 GMT -5
I sense three different feelings of injustice running through this thread, one that English historians pay little attention to the Portuguese (this feeling I find only slightly justified, as the victor writes the books and it makes you Ports seem somewhat effeminate and in need of praise/attention) two that English historians and Hollywood producers villify/dumb down the Portuguese (I find this feeling justified, it is not pleasant to see one's people slandered) and three that the English consider themselves superior to the Portuguese (this feeling is not justified at all, as the English ARE superior to the Portuguese in almost every way. The fact that they go about presenting it in a less than 100% honest manner should not in any way take away from their superior accomplishments, and the fact that they are superior does not mean that the Portuguese have done nothing). Hello, Moulin.
|
|