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Post by Morenita2g on Feb 19, 2004 15:10:18 GMT -5
I dissagree.First my boyfriend HAS NEVER BEEN TOLD BY AMERICANS THAT HE HAS ARABIC BLOOD.IN FACT HE DOESNTLIVE IN AMERICA AND HAS NEVER HAD.NOR WAS HE EDUCATED IN THE STATES. HE WAS BORN AND RAISED AND EDUCATED IN BARI ITALY. HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT ITALIANS AND THERE BLOODLINE THAN ANY CLOSE MINDED AMERICAN WHO HAS NEVER LIVED IN ITALY OR HAVE HAD THE ITALIAN EXPERIENCE.
SECOND OF ALL THE ONLY REASON WHY MIDDLE EASTERNERS ARE CLASSIFIED AS WHITE IS BECAUSE ISRAEL IS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND GOD FORBID THEM BE CONSIDERED ANYTHING BUT WHITE. THAT IS THE REASON WHY.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST TECHNICALLY THERE IS ONLY ONE RACE.THE HUMAN RACE. WE COME IN ALL SIZES AND SHAPES.AND NO RACE IS PURE,NO CULTURE IS PURE.THERE FORE ITALIANS DO HAVE AFRICAN ANSESTRY,AFRICAN AMERICANS HAVE EUROPEAN ANSESTRY,NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE ASIAN ANSESTRY,FILIPINOS HAVE NEGROID,ASIAN AND SPANISH ANSESTRY ETC ETC.
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Post by herrx on Feb 19, 2004 15:19:40 GMT -5
Fallacies and Trollings! The idea, coming from your boyfriend from Bari or not, is the same... You have to show some arguments... and your boyfriend's authorship is not. A person from Bari could be mistaken could be mistaken about Bari's history, also, about the people living in Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Afheganistan, etc... They're caucasoid, and it is not a conspiracy. You can read lots of texts here about them, but you prefer your own idea, without studies... Very non-sense for someone who says "FACE THE REAL FACTS!!!"
And please, write your texts without the "Caps".
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Post by Kukul-Kan on Feb 19, 2004 16:32:34 GMT -5
Bari was more time under the Norman, Longombard and Byzantine rule than under the Muslims.The Islamic rule over Bari only lasted 23 years. If you want to use a nother nationality to describe Bari Greek would be the appropriate choice not Arab.
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Post by geirr on Feb 19, 2004 20:48:20 GMT -5
LAST BUT NOT LEAST TECHNICALLY THERE IS ONLY ONE RACE.THE HUMAN RACE. There is no need to have your caps on. Just chill out.
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Post by Morenita2g on Feb 20, 2004 0:30:28 GMT -5
I didnt say that Bari was an arab city!!! But the influnence of Arabic culture is present in southern italy to this day. Also thru the bloodline. A good site to check out is www.italianrap.com/italam/masterfr.htmlIts by an italian not a biased pro white american. Read the section called race..So freaking true!!
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Post by Agrippa on Feb 20, 2004 1:53:28 GMT -5
For sure Italy has African blood, white African blood! From the Berbers, Hamits and Arabs.
Ok, some Negrid slaves were probably brought by the Greeks, Carthage, Romans and the Arabs, but of course in small numbers.
The main invaders were probably no Europeans, but they were Europid (Caucasid).
And middle easterners are Europid (Caucasid) not because the bible or Isreal or anything like that, but because its a fact that the skin of pure Orientalids, Armenids and Eastern Mediterranids is light, although not as light as those of the Europeans and their bone structure and morphological features as well as there physiology is Europid.
Face the facts, they are Caucasid.
Furthermore there is not just 1 human race in modernity, thats an illusion. There speaks very much for the distinction of the different branches of mankind. I think here on the forum and on other qualified sites there are enough evidences for that.
BTW I'm no American and I saw many Italians. Probably you can find some with Negrid admixture especially in Sicily, although I know some Sicilians and saw pictures of average Sicilians and they were almost all to 95 %+ Europid. Not all European Europids, some probably with Berberid and Orientalid admixture, but Europid (Caucasoid).
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Post by Racial Reality on Feb 20, 2004 7:22:53 GMT -5
Bari is an arabic name. ... A lot of the food from sicily comes from the Arabs. Foods and place names only attest to an Arabic presence. They tell us nothing about admixture levels (which are extremely low according to genetics). Take a look at the Etruscans of Northern Italy, who predated Arabs by more than 1000 years: Actually, it's by a biased, pro-Marxist, multi-racialist, Italian-American hip-hop fan who wishes he (and all Italians) were half black.
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Post by Graeme on Feb 20, 2004 8:28:53 GMT -5
What people seem to forget is that the Muslims, whatever they looked like, were kicked out of Sicily and Southern Italy. Where there are religious and racial differences between people interbreeding takes place at the lowest level of society, usually the offspring are not wanted or acknowledged by either group, frequently they are killed. As for Islamic converts and Arabic speakers in Sicily they were removed and their properties confiscated. What happened in the early part of the Nazi era to Jews in Germany happened to Muslims in Sicily. Everyone seems to think that Southern Europeans are accepting of racial differences. The opposite is true - Middle Easterners are tolerated, but disliked and negroids are despised, black is not beautiful there. In Sicily every trace of the Muslim era was obliterated, no grand buildings, mosques, African or Middle Eastern style houses exist in Sicily. It was total ethnic cleansing.
In Australia there are lots of Aboriginal place names eg Wagga Wagga, but that does not imply that the Europids here have an Aboriginal ancestor. In France and Spain there are lots of Basque place names where no Basques exist today.
I am from that part of the world and I do not accept your boyfriend's silly and ignorant views of the history and peopling of the Mediterranean region. I can only speak for myself, but what the hell has Israel got to do with it? I do not like ME religions and I consider the Biblical events as pure fiction. As for the Jewish peoples race, they are 98% more caucasian than you. There is a difference between White, caucasian and caucasoid. Indic types are caucasoid, but not white. Your "Arabs" are caucasoids, but they are not Europids.
The Neolithic farmers are overstated. They came from the Fertile Crescent, but they did not speak the same languages or look identical. One group went to Europe via Anatolia and brought the Indo-European languages with them. Another group headed south and took Semitic, Berber languages with them. Middle Eastern Neolithics do not equate with the present populations of the ME.
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Post by Melnorme on Feb 20, 2004 8:36:37 GMT -5
Middle Eastern Neolithics do not equate with the present populations of the ME. Prove it.
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Post by AWAR on Feb 20, 2004 9:09:50 GMT -5
This member 'Morenita2g' is a certain troll who has already been banned multiple times, and I will ban this troll again.Bye bye Troll-boy I really don't care about this discussion, but idiots who try to fool us with fake user names and IP adresses will certainly be banned without explanation.
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Post by Melnorme on Feb 20, 2004 9:17:07 GMT -5
This member 'Morenita2g' is a certain troll who has already been banned multiple times, and I will ban this troll again.Bye bye Troll-boy I really don't care about this discussion, but idiots who try to fool us with fake user names and IP adresses will certainly be banned without explanation. What?! Another incarnation of 'peaceman'? I'm shocked, I really am.
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Post by AWAR on Feb 20, 2004 9:25:44 GMT -5
What?! Another incarnation of 'peaceman'? I'm shocked, I really am. I don't understand why he does it. It's not even annoying, it's plain dumb, and a loss of his time. Fantastic posts by other members, though. This thread really displayed the high level of knowledge and rationality of our members. I ask other moderators not to delete this thread. It can serve as a valuable link in all further discussions of this type.
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Post by Graeme on Feb 20, 2004 9:46:53 GMT -5
I rely on what I have learnt or read or studied. I am not Dr. Faustus. The Europeans of today, Southerners included and taking account of the Phoenicians, their Punic cousins and the Muslims, do not look like Middle Easterners. Middle Easterners are not particularly mixed with negroids or mongoloids. I am speaking of Levantines mostly. European looking individuals in Lebanon and Syria are few and far between. The point is that many of us can see physical differences between Southern Europeans and Middle Easterners. In ancient times the Middle East was the conduit for modern humans moving into Europe. The UP types came from there, the Neolithics came from there. The movement of people has been East to West, the fertile crescent is one of the first centres of agriculture, rapid population growth and language formation. The story about the Tower of Babel is probably based on the mutually incomprehensible languages existing in the Crescent at the time of its drafting. As for IE speech take that up with Linguistics. The Irish, Scots and Welsh all live near each other and are not identical ethnically, historically or genetically so why should all those Neolithics from the ME?
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Post by alex221166 on Feb 20, 2004 12:53:31 GMT -5
I dissagree.First my boyfriend HAS NEVER BEEN TOLD BY AMERICANS THAT HE HAS ARABIC BLOOD.IN FACT HE DOESNTLIVE IN AMERICA AND HAS NEVER HAD.NOR WAS HE EDUCATED IN THE STATES. HE WAS BORN AND RAISED AND EDUCATED IN BARI ITALY. HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT ITALIANS AND THERE BLOODLINE THAN ANY CLOSE MINDED AMERICAN WHO HAS NEVER LIVED IN ITALY OR HAVE HAD THE ITALIAN EXPERIENCE. SECOND OF ALL THE ONLY REASON WHY MIDDLE EASTERNERS ARE CLASSIFIED AS WHITE IS BECAUSE ISRAEL IS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND GOD FORBID THEM BE CONSIDERED ANYTHING BUT WHITE. THAT IS THE REASON WHY. LAST BUT NOT LEAST TECHNICALLY THERE IS ONLY ONE RACE.THE HUMAN RACE. WE COME IN ALL SIZES AND SHAPES.AND NO RACE IS PURE,NO CULTURE IS PURE.THERE FORE ITALIANS DO HAVE AFRICAN ANSESTRY,AFRICAN AMERICANS HAVE EUROPEAN ANSESTRY,NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE ASIAN ANSESTRY,FILIPINOS HAVE NEGROID,ASIAN AND SPANISH ANSESTRY ETC ETC. Hahaha! Afrocentrists are all the same!!!
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Post by Artemidoros on Feb 20, 2004 14:41:48 GMT -5
The Neolithic farmers are overstated. They came from the Fertile Crescent, but they did not speak the same languages or look identical. One group went to Europe via Anatolia and brought the Indo-European languages with them. Another group headed south and took Semitic, Berber languages with them. Middle Eastern Neolithics do not equate with the present populations of the ME. I don't think they are overstated in the case of south Italy (at least as far as ancestry on the paternal side is concerned). In the case of the Balkans their genetic legacy is even stronger. Of course they can not be equated with the modern MEs but there is a strong link, especially with the Levant. I agree that the Neolithics brought the language that eventually gave birth to IE languages.
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