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Post by TutanKa on Apr 7, 2004 13:09:13 GMT -5
Afro-American? When someone say's something you disagree with they are instantly afro-american? That would actually be funny if it weren't so sad. I am not afro-american, and even if I were. You have no ground to stand on labelling me as a "race" or even type of person just because I said what I did. As far as I am concerned I said what I believe is true. I do not believe the ancient Egyptians were caucasion or arab.
"I pity you people... I really do" That's a pretty prejudice comment.
You have no idea what my culture is, and thank goodness for that. I'm sure you'd cry and whine all over that as well. As for pity. Save it for someone who cares. I came on here to express views not break out into an emotional dispute.
The comments about graduating school and democracy don't even deserve a response. I said what I believe whether or not people like you want to hear it. I am actually the kind of person who bites their tongue, and I don't shout out about racism very often, but some of the comments here did seem racist to me. Maybe they were or they weren't. But I wasn't directing myself at anyone personally. The comments you've directed at me were intended to be personal, even though they have no basis.
Talk about Egypt, their heritage, what they achieved or don't bother at all, that was my intention when I came on here.
FYI, I never said anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant or racist, I said anyone who ignores the fact that there is African genetics somewhere in there. Stop instantly looking for the negative and read properly. Perhaps if you weren't so centrally predjudice to the people you "pity" so much...you would have been able to read my opinion without getting so agressive and upset.
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Post by alex221166 on Apr 7, 2004 13:40:26 GMT -5
"Afro-American? When someone say's something you disagree with they are instantly afro-american?" Are you saying that you know me from other message boards? It is amazing that when you put out a fire, it springs somewhere else... "That would actually be funny if it weren't so sad. I am not afro-american, and even if I were. You have no ground to stand on labelling me as a "race" or even type of person just because I said what I did." And exactly where do you come from? "As far as I am concerned I said what I believe is true. I do not believe the ancient Egyptians were caucasion or arab." The ancient Egyptians were of the same stock of the modern Egyptians. Some of them were and are caucasians. "You have no idea what my culture is, and thank goodness for that. I'm sure you'd cry and whine all over that as well. As for pity. Save it for someone who cares. I came on here to express views not break out into an emotional dispute. The comments about graduating school and democracy don't even deserve a response. I said what I believe whether or not people like you want to hear it. I am actually the kind of person who bites their tongue, and I don't shout out about racism very often, but some of the comments here did seem racist to me. Maybe they were or they weren't. But I wasn't directing myself at anyone personally. The comments you've directed at me were intended to be personal, even though they have no basis. Talk about Egypt, their heritage, what they achieved or don't bother at all, that was my intention when I came on here." I think I know who you are. Melnorme: are you thinking what I am thinking? FYI, I never said anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant or racist, I said anyone who ignores the fact that there is African genetics somewhere in there. Stop instantly looking for the negative and read properly. Perhaps if you weren't so centrally predjudice to the people you "pity" so much...you would have been able to read my opinion without getting so agressive and upset.[/quote]
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Post by TutanKa on Apr 7, 2004 13:53:36 GMT -5
You think you know who I am. Don't confuse me with someone else, I like to consider myself unique. Believe me you have no idea who I am. I'd love to tell you where I'm from, but considering the tone of your posts I'd prefer not to.
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Post by TutanKa on Apr 7, 2004 14:00:46 GMT -5
"The ancient Egyptians were of the same stock of the modern Egyptians. Some of them were and are caucasians." Which modern day Egyptian is caucasian? They all appear to be Arab or lighter skinned African to me. But..my original point was, because I know you missed it. I do not think Egyptians were of one race. See this here picture? That's pretty much what they were as far as I am concerned...mixed...not of one singular race. And to me the suggestion that they are of one race as some people would suggest seems racist, unilateral and yes ignorant. Pointing at no one in particular.
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Post by AWAR on Apr 7, 2004 14:08:18 GMT -5
TutanKa, please, before you further post anything, do read a little about what races there are, what the term caucasoid means, what are the genetic distances between populations etc.
Modern day Arabs are closer to Scandinavians by DNA than to Negroids. Arabs are fully caucasoid and display some levels of admixture with sub-saharans, but they are what they are.
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Post by TutanKa on Apr 7, 2004 14:24:10 GMT -5
Okay AWAR I will. All it needs is someone to have a little patience and share information like this with others. So in that sense I did display some ignorance of my own. And I didn't know Arabs were caucasian, very interesting. But one thing I do know, although one Arab could be closer to a Scandinavian genetically than to an African. A different Arab could be closer genetically to an African than a Scandinavian, and an African closer to Scandinavian than an Arab. Genetic make-up isn't always easily determined by looking at skin colour...or so I've read. But besides race...if modern Egyptians really are the children of the Ancient Egyptians, why is the culture so different? Most Egyptians are Muslim...a minority are Christian. Out of genuine interest. Anyone know?
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Post by AWAR on Apr 7, 2004 14:42:36 GMT -5
So in that sense I did display some ignorance of my own. And I didn't know Arabs were caucasian, very interesting. But one thing I do know, although one Arab could be closer to a Scandinavian genetically than to an African. A different Arab could be closer genetically to an African than a Scandinavian, and an African closer to Scandinavian than an Arab. Genetic make-up isn't always easily determined by looking at skin colour...or so I've read. Not at all. For example, the very Negroid-looking Dravidians from India share nothing in common with African populations, they display much more relation to Mongoloid and Caucasoid peoples. Culture and language are known to change drastically within a single generation. The ancient Egyptians were under a series of foreign rulers ever since the most ancient times. They've been subjected to Persians, Greeks, Romans, and then Greeks again in the form of Byzantium. The Egyptians were christianized during the Roman/Byzantine rule, and the only remnants of this are the Copts ( a slightly transformed version of the name Aegypts ). Today, Copts are what's left of the link to pre-islamic and even pre-christian Egypt. The Arabian onslaught brought Islam as the dominating religion and caused more destruction to ancient Egyptian culture and heritage. Egypt soon became the seat of an Islamic dynasty and a great Islamic empire, but as the political struggles became more frequent within Islamic Egypt, the more armed conflicts arose, causing even more destruction to it's ancient heritage. Islamic Egypt was ruled by Arabic, Turkic, Circassian, Kurdish, Ottoman and many other rulers, and all that brough much transformation to the lifestyle of the people. Ancient Egyptians spoke a hamitic language closely related to Semitic languages, a language that today is only preserved by the Christian Copts, a people who also preserved much of their original racial makeup since times of ancient Egypt. The Hamitic languages are said to be also related to Indo-European ( so called 'Aryan' ) languages, but only as a distant, archaic relative.
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Post by TutanKa on Apr 7, 2004 14:49:38 GMT -5
That's put a lot of my questions to rest. Thank you AWAR. It was the religious/cultural aspects above all that was raising questions in my brain.
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Post by Berter on Apr 7, 2004 14:55:07 GMT -5
Melnorme: are you thinking what I am thinking? Additional information: NIMR (or nemr) is the egyptian way to say "NAMIR", the arabic word for tigger!.... Could it help identifying TutanKa!?...
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Post by TutanKa on Apr 7, 2004 15:05:24 GMT -5
I get the feeling folks are thinking I'm someone else...interesting considering this is the first day I've ever posted on here, lol.
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Post by Melnorme on Apr 7, 2004 15:27:45 GMT -5
Additional information: NIMR (or nemr) is the egyptian way to say "NAMIR", the arabic word for tigger!.... Could it help identifying TutanKa!?... Nah, definately not NIMR. I think TutanKa deserves the benefit of the doubt. ;D
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Post by AWAR on Apr 7, 2004 15:33:38 GMT -5
I think TutanKa is not Nimr, sure, they must have been misinformed by a similar source, but Nimr couldn't reach that level of literacy even if he had a coach sitting next to him BTW. TutanKa, welcome to Dodona, I hope you have a nice time here
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Post by TutanKa on Apr 7, 2004 15:41:26 GMT -5
Lol. Thanks AWAR for the welcome...although I didn't present myself with a fantastic opening to this forum. Yes I am liking it here, it's giving me insight into things I've either never thought of before, or have never even heard of. Not to mention, answering long unanswered questions.
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Post by alex221166 on Apr 7, 2004 20:30:35 GMT -5
You think you know who I am. Don't confuse me with someone else, I like to consider myself unique. Believe me you have no idea who I am. I'd love to tell you where I'm from, but considering the tone of your posts I'd prefer not to. Hmmm... I may have made a mistake. If that is the case, I apologise. I have seen so many internet clones in the past few days that I may have started to become a bit paranoid...
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Post by TutanKa on Apr 8, 2004 5:27:31 GMT -5
Hmmm... I may have made a mistake. If that is the case, I apologise. I have seen so many internet clones in the past few days that I may have started to become a bit paranoid... Apology accepted. ;D
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