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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 9, 2006 20:01:32 GMT -5
What Southern European nationallity has more curly haired people? Italians, Spaniards,Portuguese, Greeks?
I would think Italians have the most and Spaniards have the least curly haired people.
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Post by huzar on Jan 9, 2006 20:07:25 GMT -5
Are Balkans, Craotia and Romania part of southern Europe ? or Central-Continental one ?
I ask this by the moment when someone cite southern european countries the most instinctively cited, are Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, and not Yugoslavia or Romania.............Why ?
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Post by asdf on Jan 9, 2006 20:11:07 GMT -5
Seems like a simple East-West gradient going just by those countries. Greece having the curliest, Portugal having the staightest.
The center seems to be somewhere near the central Levant, the further away from that in any direction, the less common it is. It's more common in the Balkan peninsula for example than the Iberian. The only real exceptions being the Welsh and the Irish.
As to Huzar: Romania is tradionally considered Eastern Europe.
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Post by buddy on Jan 9, 2006 20:12:04 GMT -5
I personally think Greeks have the most as I've seen quite a few of them with curly hair. Next would probably be Italy, and I'd say that curlier hair is more common in Sicily as far as Italy goes, which may partially be due to the heavier Greek influence, along with admixture from groups such as the Phoenicians/Carthaginians and Arabs/Berbers. Spaniards and Portuguese seem to almost always have straight or wavy hair from my experience.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 9, 2006 20:13:27 GMT -5
Seems like a simple East-West gradient going just by those countries. Greece having the curliest, Portugal having the staightest. Is that due to negroid DNA?
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Jan 9, 2006 20:19:38 GMT -5
The Portuguese have the most Negroid ancestry out of Europeans so you would think Portugal percentage wise would have the highest frequency of curly haired people but apparently not.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 9, 2006 20:21:39 GMT -5
The Portuguese have the most Negroid ancestry out of Europeans so you would think Portugal percentage wise would have the highest frequency of curly haired people but apparently not. Thats strange then.
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Post by asdf on Jan 9, 2006 20:22:15 GMT -5
For the last time, the Portuguese have very low non-"Caucasoid" admixture. The admixture debates are usually just pissing contests. No one has signifigant non-Caucasoid admixture except for North Africans and the more Arabian Middle-Easterners.
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Post by nbz on Jan 10, 2006 3:11:07 GMT -5
Coon comes handy here:
On Greeks from Boston: "The head hair is straight in slightly more than half the group, wavy in most of the rest, but curly hair is not unusual"
On Southern Italians from USA: "The hair is ... curly in 10 per cent of this group, while wavy forms are usual"
On Andalusians(Southern Spain): "The hair is straight in half the series, wavy in a third, and curly in a sixth"16.6%
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 10, 2006 11:28:19 GMT -5
Southern Europe includes the Balkan Peninsula(or South Eastern Europe). However I never quite understood,how Austria was/is not included into Southern Europe or South Eastern Europe,when it should.
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Post by huzar on Jan 10, 2006 12:39:01 GMT -5
Southern Europe includes the Balkan Peninsula(or South Eastern Europe). However I never quite understood,how Austria was/is not included into Southern Europe or South Eastern Europe,when it should. Hmm, I suspect there is some strange kind of strong political/cultural influence on the thing ; Austria is a Germanic country, and people, instinctively, don't associate Germanicness with southern europe. Personally, i don't know if Austria is central or southern europe. But i associate it ,reasonably, with northItaly : If north-Italy is considered southern europe, then Austria is southeuropean too. On the opposite, If Austria is considered central-european then NorthItaly should be considered central-europe too.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 10, 2006 12:43:30 GMT -5
Southern Europe includes the Balkan Peninsula(or South Eastern Europe). However I never quite understood,how Austria was/is not included into Southern Europe or South Eastern Europe,when it should. Hmm, I suspect there is some strange kind of strong political/cultural influence on the thing ; Austria is a Germanic country, and people, instinctively, don't associate Germanicness with southern europe. Personally, i don't know if Austria is central or southern europe. But i associate it ,reasonably, with northItaly : If north-Italy is considered southern europe, then Austria is southeuropean too. On the opposite, If Austria is considered central-european then NorthItaly should be considered central-europe too. I agree,and often to thought it had something to do with the Germanic thing.. I think when Austria was known as Austro-Hungaria it was South Eastern Europe,in the same boat as Romania.
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Post by asdf on Jan 10, 2006 13:51:24 GMT -5
Coon comes handy here: On Greeks from Boston: "The head hair is straight in slightly more than half the group, wavy in most of the rest, but curly hair is not unusual"On Southern Italians from USA: "The hair is ... curly in 10 per cent of this group, while wavy forms are usual"On Andalusians(Southern Spain): "The hair is straight in half the series, wavy in a third, and curly in a sixth"16.6% Greeks from Boston? How many and from what regions? And Andalusians aren't that many.
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Post by king on Jan 10, 2006 15:08:50 GMT -5
I think that greeks have the most curly hair because of E3b1 and haplotype J. What do you guys think I hear that Greeks have about 43% of their male Y chromosome genes that is non-european, E3b and West Asian J makes up the 43%.
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Post by asdf on Jan 10, 2006 15:13:02 GMT -5
If you want to call old Neolithic Near Eastern admixture "non-European", which is pretty faulty. The Spanish have a lot of E3b1 too.
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