king
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Post by king on Jan 10, 2006 15:19:00 GMT -5
I never knew that the spanish have E3b like the greeks. The greeks have E3b at 22.4% and west asian J at 21% what is the E3b of the spanish? The borana of Kenya have the highest level of E3b1.
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Post by nbz on Jan 10, 2006 16:27:48 GMT -5
Greeks from Boston? How many and from what regions? And Andalusians aren't that many. The question is What are you backing your claims with? In fact in Spain, curly hair is commoner in the north than in the south. Just remeber the pictures of some north Spanish posters. Let's remember Tacitus quote on the Silures from Britain: "The dark complexion of the Silures, their usually curly hair, and the fact that Spain is the opposite shore to them, are an evidence that Iberians of a former date crossed over and occupied these parts."
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Post by asdf on Jan 10, 2006 16:38:13 GMT -5
Greeks from Boston? How many and from what regions? And Andalusians aren't that many. The question is What are you backing your claims with? Nothing. But I was told my curly hair was very un-Iberian. I can't justify my claims, but there's no hard data on this other than a correlation between Mediterranids and curly hair. That's not particularly relevant. Immigrants are rarely representative, which was my point with the Boston Greeks. It hasn't contradicted anything I've said. Compare rufosity in the British Isles with the mainland. It seems unlikely that was anything other than founder's effect.
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Post by buddy on Jan 10, 2006 16:59:21 GMT -5
Southern Europe includes the Balkan Peninsula(or South Eastern Europe). However I never quite understood,how Austria was/is not included into Southern Europe or South Eastern Europe,when it should. Hmm, I suspect there is some strange kind of strong political/cultural influence on the thing ; Austria is a Germanic country, and people, instinctively, don't associate Germanicness with southern europe. Personally, i don't know if Austria is central or southern europe. But i associate it ,reasonably, with northItaly : If north-Italy is considered southern europe, then Austria is southeuropean too. On the opposite, If Austria is considered central-european then NorthItaly should be considered central-europe too. I agree here, I think it's more of a cultural reason than anything else as to why the Balkans (with the exception of Greece) or Austria are sometimes not considered part of traditional southern Europe when geographically speaking, the Balkans is for sure. I tend to see Austria as central Europe and I suppose geographically, the northernmost regions of Italy (non-peninsular Italy) could also be considered central Europe in a geographical sense as well. I think it just depends on who one asks. I think that when many people think of southern Europe, they automatically assume either Latin culture or just Greco-Roman civilization. Because of this, France is another country which is sometimes thought of as southern Europe, whereas others think of it as western or even central Europe.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Jan 10, 2006 17:21:42 GMT -5
Anybody here know the actor Frank Sivero from Goodfellas, the guy had a mini Afro and he is Italian so that sais something.
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Post by huzar on Jan 10, 2006 17:34:18 GMT -5
Hmm, I suspect there is some strange kind of strong political/cultural influence on the thing ; Austria is a Germanic country, and people, instinctively, don't associate Germanicness with southern europe. Personally, i don't know if Austria is central or southern europe. But i associate it ,reasonably, with northItaly : If north-Italy is considered southern europe, then Austria is southeuropean too. On the opposite, If Austria is considered central-european then NorthItaly should be considered central-europe too. I agree here, I think it's more of a cultural reason than anything else as to why the Balkans (with the exception of Greece) or Austria are sometimes not considered part of traditional southern Europe when geographically speaking, the Balkans is for sure. I tend to see Austria as central Europe and I suppose geographically, the northernmost regions of Italy (non-peninsular Italy) could also be considered central Europe in a geographical sense as well. I think it just depends on who one asks. I think that when many people think of southern Europe, they automatically assume either Latin culture or just Greco-Roman civilization. Because of this, France is another country which is sometimes thought of as southern Europe, whereas others think of it as western or even central Europe. I think the same.
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Post by atlantis on Jan 10, 2006 19:18:52 GMT -5
North Africans tend to be quite curly.
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Post by hooligan on Jan 11, 2006 14:08:24 GMT -5
Greeks from Boston? How many and from what regions? And Andalusians aren't that many. The question is What are you backing your claims with? In fact in Spain, curly hair is commoner in the north than in the south. Just remeber the pictures of some north Spanish posters. Let's remember Tacitus quote on the Silures from Britain: "The dark complexion of the Silures, their usually curly hair, and the fact that Spain is the opposite shore to them, are an evidence that Iberians of a former date crossed over and occupied these parts." He's correct, I have seen alot of curly hair in Galicia and Asturias. In fact I have a cook book from Spain with pictures of men slaughtering a pig in Asturias, two brothers and their father, they all have curly hair, as I do. It's not kinky hair, but large curls and waves. Most Andaluz that I have seen have low hairlines with thick, straight hair.
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 11, 2006 14:20:51 GMT -5
Curly hair is not that common in Spain, North or South. It´s certainly more common in Italy or Greece, though not as frequent as people believe.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 11, 2006 14:23:29 GMT -5
Curly hair is usually a Mediterranean trait,so why would Italy and Greece have more curls than Spain or Portugal even?
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 11, 2006 14:43:58 GMT -5
Curly hair is usually a Mediterranean trait,so why would Italy and Greece have more curls than Spain or Portugal even? It´s more of an East-med trait, I believe.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 11, 2006 14:46:57 GMT -5
Do we have hard data on the hair types of the Iberian Peninsula?
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 11, 2006 14:57:57 GMT -5
Not that I know. But based on my personal observation, the rule seems to be that East Meds are curlier (and hairier) that West meds.
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Post by hooligan on Jan 11, 2006 14:59:47 GMT -5
Can someone post a picture as to what their definition of "curly" is ? I'll scan the pics from the book that I have and I have posted my pic. I haven't seen men with tight, kinky hair, but I have seen curls and waves. My uncle Santiago had curyl hair that he would comb and get these funky waves. But it was not so tight that it could not be combs, mine is more wavy than curly.
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Post by Batrus on Jan 11, 2006 21:33:45 GMT -5
I never knew that the spanish have E3b like the greeks. The greeks have E3b at 22.4% and west asian J at 21% what is the E3b of the spanish? The borana of Kenya have the highest level of E3b1. I think that Spaniards have a lot of greek (jonic) admixture, so it may have passed though there.
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