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Post by Crimson Guard on Dec 28, 2005 18:52:37 GMT -5
basshole uses Qaddafi like he's some non-Caucasoid ...Egyptians by the way arent a race of Mulatto's like Bass likes portraying endless times.
The guy is a buffoon!
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Post by atlantis on Dec 28, 2005 19:09:13 GMT -5
Even the pure Capsian berbers dont have that curly (in an afro way) hair of Kaddafi. Qaddafi's hair is perfectly within the Caucasoid range. It isn't frizzy like the Sub Saharan African.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Dec 28, 2005 19:14:08 GMT -5
Atlantis, lol I know. I used the term "afro" in the same way I'd use it for Jewish hair, or curly Irish hair. I was just being as ass. But don't you agree: That my bone-structure is suspiciously similar to Qaddafi's? I'm fascinated.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Dec 28, 2005 19:21:08 GMT -5
North African and Middle Eastern hair is usually different due to the tropical climate and sun ect.
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Post by atlantis on Dec 28, 2005 19:21:51 GMT -5
Atlantis, lol I know. I used the term "afro" in the same way I'd use it for Jewish hair, or curly Irish hair. I was just being as ass. But don't you agree: That my bone-structure is suspiciously similar to Qaddafi's? I'm fascinated. I remember your picture vaguely. But I think you wouldn't get a second look (unless you dress weirdly ) in my native region - North Eastern Morocco.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Dec 28, 2005 19:23:42 GMT -5
Atlantis, My photo is at the very bottom of page 5 of this thread.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Dec 28, 2005 19:25:52 GMT -5
Phoenicianphile
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Post by atlantis on Dec 28, 2005 19:33:55 GMT -5
Man, Looking at the younger pictures of Qaddafi, it occurs to me that he looks like a more robust version of me. I could easily be a Berber. Easily.I see ;D You have similar eyebrows, eyes (slightly "slanted" like Zidane), forehead but your nose and cheekbone differs a bit, no?
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Post by Drooperdoo on Dec 28, 2005 19:43:36 GMT -5
Crimson Guard, Can I help it if I have to strain to make some sort of connection to better races than my own? --I'd love to find out I had a Phoenician Y-chromosome. (It would be such a promotion from my real ancestry of illiterate fishermen and backward dirt-farmers.) Alas, modern North Africans don't appear to be related to the Phoenicians. Carthage was there, yes; but Rome burned it to the ground and salted the Earth. The genocide was so complete that when Spencer Wells tested the modern people on the site of Carthage, he found that they had 0% of the dna of the Phoenicians. Rome's brutality was too complete.
P.S. It occurs to me that--if I were part-Phoenician--that would make us ancestral enemies. Luckily, we're probably not on opposite sides of the dna. Statistically, it's far more likely that you and I share more dna than me and any North African or Middle Eastern group. Heck! I could pass for a Berber, but I could also pass--judging by the opinions on this board--for a Southern Italian. Historically, it's far more likely that you and I are related--especially seeing both of our surnames. (Remember how they both turned up among the Knights of Malta?)
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Post by atlantis on Dec 28, 2005 20:00:58 GMT -5
Crimson Guard, Can I help it if I have to strain to make some sort of connection to better races than my own? --I'd love to find out I had a Phoenician Y-chromosome. (It would be such a promotion from my real ancestry of illiterate fishermen and backward dirt-farmers.) Alas, modern North Africans don't appear to be related to the Phoenicians. Carthage was there, yes; but Rome burned it to the ground and salted the Earth. The genocide was so complete that when Spencer Wells tested the modern people on the site of Carthage, he found that they had 0% of the dna of the Phoenicians. Rome's brutality was too complete. P.S. It occurs to me that--if I were part-Phoenician--that would make us ancestral enemies. Luckily, we're probably not on opposite sides of the dna. Statistically, it's far more likely that you and I share more dna than me and any North African or Middle Eastern group. Heck! I could pass for a Berber, but I could also pass--judging by the opinions on this board--for a Southern Italian. Historically, it's far more likely that you and I are related--especially seeing both of our surnames. (Remember how they both turned up among the Knights of Malta?) Hmm ... makes me wonder on the North African (dna) impact on Malta. Btw the destruction of Carthage was the product of a Roman and Numidian alliance ;D
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Post by Educate Me on Dec 28, 2005 20:15:35 GMT -5
you mean numidian traitors? And the genocide was not complete, Saint Ausgutine could still speak punic, even after the language had disappeared in phoenicia.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Dec 28, 2005 20:29:32 GMT -5
Educate_Me, According to Spencer Wells the destruction was complete. None of the modern Carthaginians had Phoenician dna. None. Zero. (The geneticists in the National Geographic study said it was the one discovery that they were astounded by: the fact that the Roman genocide was so complete.) The fact that St. Augustine could speak Punic is interesting, but not proof of genetic continuity. It's proof of cultural continuity. Punic would have been one of the Mediterranean's great commercial languages of the time. So, of course, non-Phoenician North Africans would have adopted it. And when Rome slaughtered their enemies, those same North Africans would still retain the Punic language. Much like England creating the United States. Americans with zero English ancestry speak English. And if England were bombed off the map, these Americans would still continue speaking English. So linguistic continuity is no proof of genetic continuity, but just of the massive cultural influence of a major maritime power.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 28, 2005 21:43:06 GMT -5
That's the kind of stuff I love about the new genetic research. Finding out the truth about what happened to ancient peoples and who their descendants really are.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Dec 29, 2005 0:15:34 GMT -5
you mean numidian traitors? And the genocide was not complete, Saint Ausgutine could still speak punic, even after the language had disappeared in phoenicia. I wouldn't call the Numidians traitors at that point...Their was always wars on and off between them all.Some Numidians tribes sided with Rome others with Carthage/Hannibal. Hannibal Barca failed to crush Rome when he was in Italy,even after his early success.Scipio launched a campaign,a direct Sea assault at Carthage and devastated them...That had to be one of the greatest moves ever in Military history.. Jugurtha I know tried playing Rome for fools(to some extent they where,when he was dealing with the corrupt merchants and aristocrats),and got dragged off in chains back to the capital and executed for his treachery... Numidia was indeed heavily Romanized along with the rest of Carthage. **Droop...I know the way you feel,I just was kidding ya...its possible for you,maybe even me. Even the Ancient Sicilians where known for being tri-lingual,they spoke Greek,Latin and Punic...and they have 0 Carthagian DNA. My ancestry is from Western Sicily (Palermo and Sciacca),thats the heart of the Carthagians colonies and later on the Berber Moors and Saracen Arabs.
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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 29, 2005 2:18:26 GMT -5
Better question: would you say the Qaddafi morphology is Caucasoid? Put it this way, people like Qadaffi according to Gabriel Camps, are proto-Mediterranean skeletally, I'll leave it to the dodonite pundit to figure out whether that means Caucasoid or whatever.
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