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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 28, 2005 15:25:39 GMT -5
Zidane, like Igu is a Kabylian and not a Riffian. Excuse me, my bad. |
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 28, 2005 15:30:52 GMT -5
Capsian is a tool industry, not a physical type, go and look up the Capsian and see for yourself. Dont start learning me the Basics, ... Spare me the humiliation, Ok!?. Most prehistoric archelogical cultures are physical traces of 'relatively pure' athropological types: even when racial mixing is detected in the athropological remains of a given culture (F.e. Many eurasian cultures of the russian steppes and the Ural area yielded mixed (Caucasid*Mongolid) remains), it is always possible to associate it with a dominant type . The Capsian culture is associated with the OLd Men of Cafsa -- Or what I call Capsids.  Thats what I believe and what I have stated in many posts. In this thread, I have posted this map to illustrate the westwards migration of Berberid Capsians. Try hard, you wont detect any logical errors in my reasoning!. |
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Post by OdinofOssetia on Dec 28, 2005 15:34:31 GMT -5
The migration part looks correct, unfortunetly your presentation of the people in question is not.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 28, 2005 15:38:48 GMT -5
Zidane, like Igu is a Kabylian and not a Riffian. another cro-magnon Kabylie Berber...of the Berter-oid type ;D  : Eurolooking berbers are found even among the southern groups and sometimes they even look more euroid than any kabyle or riffian you might think of. Believe my words!. |
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 28, 2005 15:39:50 GMT -5
The migration part looks correct, unfortunetly your presentation of the people in question is not. You are lacking in logic. Re-read my posts!. |
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Post by OdinofOssetia on Dec 28, 2005 15:45:19 GMT -5
Yes, only did you hear about those Morisco mercenaries conquering Timbuktuo for Morocco? And all those trade caravans going all the way to Sahel?
Berbers of North Africa have been intermixing with Europeans/Caucasoids since antiquity, just learn some ancient Greek and Roman history.
Therefore, it is not surprising that some Berbers do have European/Caucasoid features, and I never even denied that (check my previous post on which I discuss Zidane).
PS - Check that National Geographic article, or else I'll have to shove it in your face.
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Post by wadad on Dec 28, 2005 15:47:44 GMT -5
Yes, only did you hear about those Morisco mercenaries conquering Timbuktuo for Morocco. And all those trade caravans going all the way to Sahel? Berbers of North Africa have been intermixing with Europeans/Caucasoids since antiquity, just learn some ancient Greek and Roman history. Therefore, it is not surprising that some Berbers do have European/Caucasoid features, and I never even denied that (check my previous post on which I discuss Zidane). agreed. If the Ethiopians mixed so frequently with their neighbours the Arabians, whats so odd in thinking Berbers mixed with various neihgboring European peoples during the course of history |
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 28, 2005 15:50:21 GMT -5
Berter, did the Berberids come into North Africa from Iberia, just as the Saharids came into North Africa from the Middle East? I assume that by 'Berberids' you mean Cromagnoid-Berbers. Whats proven is the metrical relation of our Cromagnoids with the Cromagnids of Southern Europe. If the genetical relation comes to be proven (I'm not aware of any such study!), it would indicate in which direction the migration took place (from NWA to Iberia or the other way around). |
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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 28, 2005 15:50:31 GMT -5
Yes, only did you hear about those Morisco mercenaries conquering Timbuktuo for Morocco. And all those trade caravans going all the way to Sahel? Berbers of North Africa have been intermixing with Europeans/Caucasoids since antiquity, just learn some ancient Greek and Roman history. Therefore, it is not surprising that some Berbers do have European/Caucasoid features, and I never even denied that (check my previous post on which I discuss Zidane). agreed. If the Ethiopians mixed so frequently with their neighbours the Arabians, whats so odd in thinking Berbers mixed with various neihgboring European peoples during the course of history They have been mixing with Middle easterners and Europeans, it shows up in their mtDNA much more than their Y-chromosones, so his insane logic that Berbers are Capsians mixed with CroMagnoids is nonsense and he can't back it up. |
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Post by OdinofOssetia on Dec 28, 2005 15:50:46 GMT -5
Yes, in addition to the Greeks and Romans, also Vandals-Alans, Slavs, Moriscos, Spaniards, and a whole bunch of White European slaves, even from as far away as Iceland. Plus also the genuine Semite Arabs. michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html |
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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 28, 2005 15:53:25 GMT -5
If Berbers migrated west explain this Berter:
"This proposal is in accordance with a population expansion involving E3b2-M81 believed to have occurred in northwestern Africa ¡2 ky ago (Cruciani et al. 2002). The considerably older linear expansion estimate of the Egyptian E3b2-M81 (5.4 ky ago) is also compatible with this scenario. "
[Arredi et al]
Egyptian E3b2-M81 is older in Egypt than it is in Northwest Africa so how did people migrated west?
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 28, 2005 15:57:54 GMT -5
Racent historical mixing with Europeans happened but was largely inhibited by raligious considerations.
Old Cromagnoid Berbers were in all probability a kind of whites related to Cromagnids of SE; To explain their whitness by admixture in those times ... is RIDICULOUS!.
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Post by OdinofOssetia on Dec 28, 2005 16:01:27 GMT -5
They were not White, they were not Black, they were Northern Hamites, just like ancient Egyptians or Misraymis.
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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 28, 2005 16:06:13 GMT -5
Racent historical mixing with Europeans happened but was largely inhibited by raligious considerations. Old Cromagnoid Berbers were in all probability a kind of whites related to Cromagnids of SE; To explain their whitness by admixture in those times ... is RIDICULOUS!. European mixture in Berbers is old, old , old: www.familytreedna.com/pdf/U_paper.pdfRead this paper. |
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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 28, 2005 16:08:12 GMT -5
Racent historical mixing with Europeans happened but was largely inhibited by raligious considerations. Old Cromagnoid Berbers were in all probability a kind of whites related to Cromagnids of SE; To explain their whitness by admixture in those times ... is RIDICULOUS!. Cro-Magnons are not closely related to modern Europeans nor modern modern North Africans and I repeat, Capsian refers to a tool industry, not a physical type as observed erroneously by Coon, who also thought there were "Capsians" in east Africa. |
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