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[mike2]

You may be right. I've lived in Florida all my life so I don't really know if blacks outside my home turf look any different.

Though Halle Berry and Alicia Keys are straight-up mulattos.

[shango]

Mike,

Have you heard of the Great Migration? when African Americans left the South in large numbers due to racism. Well, what I have noticed is that many of those people were very lightskinned and what I know from looking at people is that there are many African American families where generation after generation everybody is lightskinned because that's who they married on purpose. Another thing that you will commonly see is that within one family different family members may look very different.

Brothers and Sisters may within a family may have varying shades on skin and facial features. One brother may look like Wesley Snipes and another like Vin Diesel with the same parents. This is what happens when you mix up the genes. It's very common. That's why I never took the pictures of Egyptians and Berbers seriously.

Here in NYC and in the northern cities, we had a lot of additional race mixing. So, when walking down the street how do you know who is Black? who is Dominican? Who is Haitian? Who is Jamaican? Who is from where? Who is Boricua(Puerto Rican)? Do you assume that the person with very light skin is Hispanic? and the dark African American? That would be a big mistake.

In the West Indies, the children of White me nand Black women have become the elite. The presidents and P.M.s, and rulers there are very light generation after generation. The same happened in America right here.

Where I am the leaders of the Black community tend to be lighter. There are Blacks with blonde hair, red hair, blues eyes, hazel eyes and very Caucasoid features who dominate Black institutions. They fight for Black rights and have helped a great deal. But, if you saw them alone and you did not know who they were you would think they were from the Middle East, Hispanic, some can pass for White.

[mike2]

So basically you are of the opinion that black is a social institution?

[Agrippa]

One brother may look like Wesley Snipes and another like Vin Diesel with the same parents.

Thats highly unlikely, rather impossible I have to say. There can be huge differences, but not like that...Vin Diesel is more Europid than anything else and Wesley Snipes is a fully typical Sudanid.

But generally "black" IN THE US is sometimes, somewhat more something cultural...coloured would fit better for many "blacks".
I mean Halle Berry speaking about her "black heritage" can only mean her father, but she is neither black nor white but has a psychological problem.

[mike2]

I agree, Vin almost has a generalize Mediterranean or North African appearance. On the other hand, Wesley Snipes is the embodiment of the broad West African type, or the Sudanid.

[topdog]

agrippa said:

One brother may look like Wesley Snipes and another like Vin Diesel with the same parents.

Thats highly unlikely, rather impossible I have to say. There can be huge differences, but not like that...Vin Diesel is more Europid than anything else and Wesley Snipes is a fully typical Sudanid.

But generally "black" IN THE US is sometimes, somewhat more something cultural...coloured would fit better for many "blacks".
I mean Halle Berry speaking about her "black heritage" can only mean her father, but she is neither black nor white but has a psychological problem.

Halle Berry doesn't have a psychological problem, the people who created the one-drop rule are the ones with the problem.

[mike2]

True.

[shango]

Halle is Black as she looks like many Black women in America and around the world. Her mother is White, but if you didn't know that fact would you guess just by looking at her?

Alicia Keys' mother is White also, and Alicia is very "Black" with her braids and her experiences in Harlem.

My remark about brothers and sisters being from the same parents and looking different is based upon my lifetime of observing families around me and it was referencing actual brothers I know. And this type of thing is very common.




www.usatoday.com/life/movies/movieawards/oscars/2003-03-19-black-actresses_x.htm

[Agrippa]

topdog said:

Halle Berry doesn't have a psychological problem, the people who created the one-drop rule are the ones with the problem.

First of all her made her mad by telling her all the time that she "is black" until she believed it herself and thinks she can play the "discrimination" card if things dont work like she wants, though she reached more than most other beautiful women in Hollywood, even perfect Nordid ones...
That alone shows how absurd her statements are. Furthermore you can see similar reactions of mixed people in regions in which the "one drop rule" was never a topic anyway...

@shango:
First of all she doesnt look like a fully Negrid woman, and thats for sure, but what you said is partly true, as the Negrid component is often stronger and thats a good argument against race mixing of Europeans and not that new.
Furthermore differences in families are quite common, sure, but its a different thing is just one features varies (f.e. skin color, nasal shape etc.) or you get a complete type re-emergence and chances are so low for getting both extremes in one family that you can neglect it.

[mike2]

It's simply impossible for Halle Berry or Alicia Keys to be fully Negroid. It's not the skin color. It's the entire face.

[magneto]

Shango isn't exactly wrong though.I don't how extreme you're talking but I've seen families where siblings range from someone like Queen Latifah/Whitney Houston to Alicia Keys/Jeter.

"Black" in the US and West Indies really has nothing to do with looking full blown Negroid.Race is kinda part scientific but mostly social.

[topdog]

magneto said:

Shnago isn't exactly wrong though.I don't how extreme you're talking but I've see families where siblings range from someone like Queen Latifah/Whitney Houston to Alicia Keys.

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I've uttered that same thing too many times. If any truly knows about African American families they would see that siblings can look totally different and will not all look the same, look at the Jackson Five:







Isely Brothers

[Agrippa]

But to use examples like "ranging from Vin Diesel to Wesely Snipes" is just something totally different...

[topdog]

Gap Band




Maurice White[guy in sleeveless shirt] and his brother Verdine White[to his left]





Its funny how people try to connect a look to a certain amount genes.

[mike2]

That's just skin color, though, which is variable.

It would still be impossible for Vin Diesel and Wesley Snipes to be full brothers.