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[Faelcind]

You know Mai I have never been to africa something I would really love to do. I am fascinated by SSA biodeversity but sadly there really isn't alot of good information available about SSA racial and sub racial diversity. Most people of european descent lump you all together as black's. Some physial anthropolgists like Coon attempted classification of SSA's but I personaly don't trust any of the analysis I have seen. I would guess you were a forest type. All I really know are the physical types I see in america and that they orginated in west africa. I don't know if particular types show's descent from one part of west africa or another.

[Abubakari]

Faelcind said:

You know Mai I have never been to africa something I would really love to do. I am fascinated by SSA biodeversity but sadly there really isn't alot of good information available about SSA racial and sub racial diversity. Most people of european descent lump you all together as black's. Some physial anthropolgists like Coon attempted classification of SSA's but I personaly don't trust any of the analysis I have seen. I would guess you were a forest type. All I really know are the physical types I see in america and that they orginated in west africa. I don't know if particular types show's descent from one part of west africa or another.

O wouldn't say I'm forest type like say ghanians and ivory Coast, I would say more like Kanuri, Chadian, Niger, Nigerian, Burkina Faso. An slighty elongated West African type. Forest types tend to be more robust.

[Faelcind]

How would you define yourself?

[Abubakari]

Faelcind said:

How would you define yourself?

I would say Sudanic. Thats a good way of putting it, my features are like this guy's



Or even like the guy in the middle, just that I am lighter in skin color



those are west Sudanese Darfur people

[Faelcind]

No offense but judging from from the picture you look more like typical like many african americans then the people from darfur pictured. You have a more prominent jaw, a broader squarer face, more defined eyebrow ridge, wider set cheek bones. To me they look more east african were as you look very west african IMHO.

[Soomaal]

Here is another pic of me

[pconroy]

Mai said:

Look at my picture, I'm West African, but I have a somewhat elongated face with sub-Saharan features. What African subrace would you say I am?

I know the Hausa people live in a number of countries in the Sahel region of West Africa. The are followers of Islam mostly.

I know this as my aunt was a Christian missionary in Kano and Makurdi in Northern Nigeria. Don't people in this region have some Arab and Tuareg (Berber) ancestry?

Anyway she said that the most educated and progressive people in Nigeria were the Ibos, and that 3 Ibo states had fought the Biafran war to gain independance from the rest of Nigeria, but ultimately failed to do so. The Ibos live inland, North of Lagos if I remember correctly, and have Bantu appearance and look like Djimon Hounsou (who is from Benin):

[slick]

If that is Marcus Garvey, then I will assume that he is more Palenegroid than Sudanid because he is from the West Indies. I believe he is either Jamaican or Barbadian (or Bajan)

[Abubakari]

Faelcind said:

No offense but judging from from the picture you look more like typical like many african americans then the people from darfur pictured. You have a more prominent jaw, a broader squarer face, more defined eyebrow ridge, wider set cheek bones. To me they look more east african were as you look very west african IMHO.

Those Darfur people aren't of East African extraction but of East Sudanic extraction. They migrated from the central Sahara region and are more akin to West Africans. Darfur people are composed of Zaghawa, Masalit, and so-called "Baggara Arabs" and are found from Northwest Nigeria through Chad all the way to Sudan.

I don't find it offensive when you say I look West African for I am of Hausa/Fulani and Kanuri descent. West Africans vary. As for the "original" pure Negro type of west Africa, please find the true one out of these and these are unmixed West Africans













[img src="[http://www.africanloxo.com/photographies/photo_originales/60-Peul-Fouta-Tamba-7.jpg"]

[pconroy]

Mai said:

I don't find it offensive when you say I look West African for I am of Hausa/Fulani and Kanuri descent. West Africans vary. As for the "original" pure Negro type of west Africa, please find the true one out of these and these are unmixed West Africans

I guess the Fulani have longer heads and more resemble the Tuareg, and that is where you get the slightly longer head than typical West Africans - as seen in the US.
I know the Fulani were traditionally pastoralists living in the Sahel with their large herds of cattle. What about the Kanuri, where are they from?

BTW, are you familiar with any Northern Cameroonians or care to comment on them, as I know they experienced a backmigration from Western Asia tens of thousands of years ago - does that show up today in their phenotype?

[Abubakari]

pconroy said:

I guess the Fulani have longer heads and more resemble the Tuareg, and that is where you get the slightly longer head than typical West Africans - as seen in the US.
I know the Fulani were traditionally pastoralists living in the Sahel with their large herds of cattle. What about the Kanuri, where are they from?

BTW, are you familiar with any Northern Cameroonians or care to comment on them, as I know they experienced a backmigration from Western Asia tens of thousands of years ago - does that show up today in their phenotype?

Kanuri are from the Eastern Sudan, from nE Nigeria al; the way to the eastern border of Chad. Modern kanuris include the some Sara people and Teda/Toubou from even as north as the Fezzan. In turn, the kanuri are ethnically related to the people of Darfur, like the Masalit and Zaghawa.

[Abubakari]

As far as I've seen northern Cameroonians look like West Africans and are very Negroid, the so-called "west Eurasian" back migration took place about 40,000 years ago, there's no reason to link 40,000 year old DNA with modern Northern Cameroonians somatically speaking. The mixture most likely came from north Africans, but the study that gave that finding said more testing is needed to determine the actually origin of the proposed "west Eurasian" mtDNA. since it is only found in Northern Cameroonians amd not in adjacent populations.

[Abubakari]

GhostOfRecluse said:

a Sudanid?

I look totally different from Marcus Garvey. I have a much longer, slender face and sharper features though not very sharp.

[Soomaal]

Could I be a Sudanid?

[pconroy]

Yunis said:

Could I be a Sudanid?

I don't think so, more Ethiopid