only Portugal is mostly Mediterrenean

[geirr]

Graeme said:

Friends, Geirr lives in Australia as I do, but unlike Geirr I was born in southern Europe, he was born in Argentinia. The fact is that in Australia the predominant whites are Anglos and they can't see the difference between dark brown hair and black hair. Then again, I have a very restricted view of what blond means. I hardly use the word. Most Anglo blonds have ashy or mousy brown hair and they often lighten it to with special rinses to make it blond like that of childrens' hair. I have no problems with black hair and as I mentioned before, I find it quite attractive, more so than the various shades of brown that most Europeans have. In my own country, Malta, there are more redheads than blonds and I expect that would be the same in Portugal.

For dyn, take a couple of aspirins, I am sure your head will be better in the morning.

Portugal is not a Mediterranean country. Its faces towards the west and its coasline is in the Atlantic.

dark brown and black hair is hardly rare in 'Anglo' Australians. My point is that black hair is not only normal in Europeans, it's common.

[executiona9]

I have made some mistakes and im not too stubborn too admit it.

I have never visited Portugal, I only know Portuguese people from tv and the media and a few Portuguese immigrants here in Holland.

Most people in this topic say that most Portuguese have darkbrown hair and not black, if the majority claims it then who am I to say otherwise? I obviously was wrong.

Some possible reasons why I made this mistake :

- a lot of people including Portuguese put gel in their hair which makes it look darker than their natural haircolour
-darkbrown hair often looks black from a distance

[Melnorme]

Here's an example of 'true black' hair on a Caucasoid individual. It's me. ;D

www.zippyimages.com/40505.html

[geirr]

Melnorme said:

Here's an example of 'true black' hair on a Caucasoid individual. It's me. ;D

www.zippyimages.com/40505.html

Here's another, Karl XV of Sweden, his father King Oscar I was of French nobilty. As you can see both had black hair.

[geirr]

[geirr]

;D

[geirr]

[Graeme]

Geirr, I was not discrediting you just mentioning the fact that Anglos see the same thing differently. Most of my friends would be hard pushed to see the difference between dark brown and black hair. They can't tell Southern Europeans from Iraqis either. That is the way they are.

Grant probably dyed his hair black and spent a lot of time tanning his skin.

I have spent time in Portugal, Spain and Southern France and frankly I did not go around counting who had dark brown hair and who had black. Does it matter? A lot of Keltic types have black hair. As I mentioned before I associate black haired European caucasians with a pallid complexion, whereas dark brown goes with a sallow complexion. That is the way it usually works in my family though not in my case.

executiona9, everyone makes mistakes, even the gods on this forum.

[geirr]

Geirr, this is starting to get a little annoying

[geirr]

Graeme said:

Geirr, I was not discrediting you just mentioning the fact that Anglos see the same thing differently. Most of my friends would be hard pushed to see the difference between dark brown and black hair. They can't tell Southern Europeans from Iraqis either. That is the way they are.

Grant probably dyed his hair black and spent a lot of time tanning his skin.

I have spent time in Portugal, Spain and Southern France and frankly I did not go around counting who had dark brown hair and who had black. Does it matter? A lot of Keltic types have black hair. As I mentioned before I associate black haired European caucasians with a pallid complexion, whereas dark brown goes with a sallow complexion. That is the way it usually works in my family though not in my case.

executiona9, everyone makes mistakes, even the gods on this forum.

you misunderstood me, I wasn't having a go at you I'm just posting some people who are black haired, yeah you're right maybe some of them do dye their hair but I'm tired, it's late and I'm nearly done.

[geirr]

good night everyone.

[dyn]

Graeme said:

dyn came out trolling from her first post. I doubt she is a Southerner. It is useless trying to make points with her.

I have known my fair share of blond Greeks and Italians, and they still look like Greeks and Italians just with blond hair. The skin colour difference between a typical Swedish citizen and a Portuguese citizen is over exaggerated. The terms used are not quite correct. European caucasian skin is not white, the nearest approximation to white is among some Keltic groups. The common skin colour found in Northern Europe is a light yellowish shade tinged pink by blood. There is a myth used often on Nordicist sites that says that Northern Europeans don't tan. That's not true. The same about skin freckling. It is Keltic. Southerns are stereotyped as being swarthy in order to make the skin pigmentation difference greater than it is in reality. For dyn and others like her they just see the myths not reality. I don't have any problems understanding DNA maps, but then I am a geneticist and molecular biologist. The fact is that Europeans cannot be easily classed just by their superficial appearance as sub racial types are found in every country and vary in each country by percentages.

That's HE, pal. Anyway... You want to replace one myth with another. That BS is not reality. Someone want to explain to me what is wrong with being swarthy? What, that a bunch of Nordicist morons (most of whom are not even Nordic) on the internet don't like it? Pathetic.

[dyn]

Geirr said:

Nixon had brown hair not black. I think Lyndon Johnson had black hair.

[dyn]

buddyrydell said:

But southern Europeans are of course EUROPEAN in origin and genes do not lie.

No one is really of European origin. Furthermore, there was a "Mediterranean world" before there was a Europe as such, and the Mediterranean world can't be arbitrarily divided like this. If you want to talk about genes, then you're going to need something better than that ridiculous map.

While I'm most assuredly not going to go out on a limb and start advocating racial purity (leave that for the racists), The Middle Eastern admixture in southern Europeans is without question overblown and is not as widespread as is commonly believed.

Who said anything about any admixture here? These features are not due to admixture.

I dislike it when people say that southern Europeans are exactly the same as Middle Easterners or North Africans.

Why do you dislike it? Is there something wrong with it? Most people don't dislike what they consider compliments, now do they?

But Europeans as a whole generally lack black hair, for example, varying shades of brown are much more common, dark brown (though it may be close to black) is more common among us southerners although yes black is found in some (though again, much more so in North Africa, along with a fairly high incidence of light eyes, which although found in some Berbers who are also blond, is generally much less frequent among average North African populations, along with lighter skin in southern Europe (not pinkish white like Scandinavia but not in the N. African range either), straighter hair (yes I know some of us southerners have curly hair but a solid majority of N. Africans do), and noses that tend to be straighter. Do some of us have more convex noses? Sure, but again, not nearly as common as in North Africa.

Most southern Europeans have black or dark brown hair. The north African skin color "range" includes pinkish white, and is largely similar to the southern European. I'm not talking about Negroid/mixed types here. Like I previously mentioned, some Berber groups are more fair-skinned than southern Europeans in general. I don't know that "a solid majority" of north Africans has curly hair. Frankly, that's not my impression. I think that Iranians have convex noses at least as often as north Africans, and according to the map Iranians are closer to Danes and English than Italians are.

Near Easterners, ok they indeed show much more overlap with southerners than North Africans, but some of them have a different look themselves, can't really describe it. It's just a unique look that some of them have. Near Easterners by the way show closer affinities to Europeans than North Africans, hence the greater similarity among them.

I disagree with this altogether. I think that Berbers generally look more typically "European" (and not just southern) than Near Easterners, especially in terms of facial features. I associate Berbers more with types like this:

www.arifino.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=162&cid=2

That map shows "Saharan Berbers" which have significant Negroid admixture and are not representative of the Berbers I'm talking about.

[Requiem]