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Post by Dienekes on Apr 18, 2005 2:33:28 GMT -5
My first guess is Latin American, and second guess would be Italian.
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Post by Circe on Apr 18, 2005 3:07:14 GMT -5
My guesses are reversed
1. Italian
2. Latin American
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Post by nockwasright on Apr 18, 2005 3:22:03 GMT -5
As can be seen by this list (http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/regents/italy/popes2.htm), the non Italian Popes have really been a negligible percentage until now.
Actually, since the year 1523 until now the only non Italian Pope has been Karol Wojtyla. So 1 non Italian Pope in 500 years!
This may sound very parochial and strange to young people who have seen only this late Pope, but actually Popes have always been Italian, and for some hystorical period they even come only from few Roman families. The few non Italian Popes in hystory are French, Germans, Spaniards, Greeks, Portugese, British and Polish. There never was a non European Pope. *
Thus if we had to go by statistics only we should all vote "Italian". On the other hand, the world would feel an Italian Pope as a missed opportunity for the Church to spread his voice. Thus I also guess Latin American (hopefully Josh's relative, so we will know a relative of the Pope!).
This just in: nobody would have bet a cent on the election of Karol Wojtyla; he was completely unknown and, being Polish, a great surprise. So maybe we will be surprised again.
* Edit: it seems that anyone who owns a TV in Italy became a Popeologyst in this last days (except me). I have been informed that there was, before 500 an African Pope (Gelasius?). Sorry.
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Post by Tautamo on Apr 18, 2005 5:13:39 GMT -5
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Post by captainusa1 on Apr 18, 2005 7:44:59 GMT -5
I hope that he will be Latin American. It looks like he will be German. I wish that they would elect a healthy and younger pope. Cardinal Ratzinger isn't exactly a Spring chicken.
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Post by nockwasright on Apr 18, 2005 8:31:21 GMT -5
I hope that he will be Latin American. It looks like he will be German. I wish that they would elect a healthy and younger pope. Cardinal Ratzinger isn't exactly a Spring chicken. Actually after his homily www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/regents/italy/popes2.htm I thought you would have been a Ratzinger supporter. He goes even more strongly and clearly against cultural relativism as the late Pope ever did. Maybe I misunderstood your political orientation (conservative?). |
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Post by Tautamo on Apr 18, 2005 8:37:43 GMT -5
Actually after his homily www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/regents/italy/popes2.htm I thought you would have been a Ratzinger supporter. He goes even more strongly and clearly against cultural relativism as the late Pope ever did. Maybe I misunderstood your political orientation (conservative?). thanks for that link!!! |
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Post by captainusa1 on Apr 18, 2005 18:05:52 GMT -5
Actually after his homily www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/regents/italy/popes2.htm I thought you would have been a Ratzinger supporter. He goes even more strongly and clearly against cultural relativism as the late Pope ever did. Maybe I misunderstood your political orientation (conservative?). He doesn't seem to have the warmth of John Paul II. I haven't heard much from him, so I don't know much about his personality. I'm going by the few times that I've seen him on TV. He evidently was an unwilling member of the Hitler Youth and the German armed forces, and you know that will cause controversy. |
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Post by SensoUnico on Apr 18, 2005 22:08:03 GMT -5
All I can say as I am not RC is that it is not Ratzinger. The way he spoke Latin and Italian in that accent of his was appalling.
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Post by Q. Valerius Priscus on Apr 18, 2005 23:14:44 GMT -5
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Post by nockwasright on Apr 19, 2005 5:36:52 GMT -5
In the last four popes, Ioannes Paulus II, Paulus VI and Ioannes XXIII were Alpish (Baltid, Alpinid, Alpinid-Dinarid), but Ioannes Paulus I was not and he died soon after he was elected. He died soon because of his dolichocephaly. |
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Post by Circe on Apr 19, 2005 11:37:39 GMT -5
In the last four popes, Ioannes Paulus II, Paulus VI and Ioannes XXIII were Alpish (Baltid, Alpinid, Alpinid-Dinarid), but Ioannes Paulus I was not and he died soon after he was elected. I am betting that the next pope will be Alpish as well. Man, you surpassed yourself  |
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Post by Melnorme on Apr 19, 2005 11:45:56 GMT -5
I know, I know!  |
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Post by Circe on Apr 19, 2005 11:53:07 GMT -5
I know, I know! So do I! ;D both my guesses were wrong...  |
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Post by nockwasright on Apr 19, 2005 11:54:43 GMT -5
 He's Alpish. We can breathe now. |
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