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Post by henerte on Apr 19, 2005 11:57:00 GMT -5
Actually, places where Catholicism seems to be very strong are quite alpish...Poland (especially southern), Italy, Germany (like Bavaria), Croatia, Latin America to some extent.
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Post by henerte on Apr 19, 2005 11:59:49 GMT -5
On the other hand, the world would feel an Italian Pope as a missed opportunity for the Church to spread his voice. The next one will be from Latin America The same in Poland |
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Post by murphee on Apr 19, 2005 12:03:23 GMT -5
Cardinal Ratzinger is 78. I am surprised that the conclave picked a man of such advanced age.
Anyone have theories about this? Yesterday, my husband said he thought it was because he would be kind of an 'interim or transitional Pope' and when he dies, a younger man will be chosen who will be the Pope for a long time.
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Post by henerte on Apr 19, 2005 12:08:15 GMT -5
Yesterday, my husband said he thought it was because he would be kind of an 'interim or transitional Pope' and when he dies, a younger man will be chosen who will be the Pope for a long time. That's true. Choosing Ratzinger is like chossing Wojtyla once again. He was very close to John Paul II so he will continue his line. |
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Post by nockwasright on Apr 19, 2005 12:12:38 GMT -5
Cardinal Ratzinger is 78. I am surprised that the conclave picked a man of such advanced age. Anyone have theories about this? Yesterday, my husband said he thought it was because he would be kind of an 'interim or transitional Pope' and when he dies, a younger man will be chosen who will be the Pope for a long time. Some say that when the cardinals are divided they may choose an older Pope, just not to tie the Church for too long with a figure who didn't have a wide consensus behind him. Actually it may just be they choose the man for what he did and said in his life, regardless of geopolitical or age related considerations. Ratzinger is considered a "conservative" as opposed to the Italian candidates who were considered more "left leaning" (in a very rough manner of speak). The homily I linked in this thread is very telling of his views. Likely it has already been translated. |
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Post by henerte on Apr 19, 2005 12:20:16 GMT -5
Some say that when the cardinals are divided they may choose an older Pope, just not to tie the Church for too long with a figure who didn't have a wide consensus behind him. He has been chosen very early. I think it wasn't the case As far as I know, this division (between conservative and progressive cardinals) has actually little to do with the place of origin. I wouldn't be surprised though if majority of reformatives were from Italy as they are the most numerous. |
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Post by Q. Valerius Priscus on Apr 19, 2005 13:39:08 GMT -5
The new Pope is an Alpinid from Bavaria. Carleton Coon once wrote that a Bavarian restaurant is the best place in the world to find an Alpinid, and the new Pope is not an exception to this rule. Four out of the last five popes, except the short lived Ioannes Paulus I, were Alpish through and through.   |
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Post by captainusa1 on Apr 19, 2005 16:52:45 GMT -5
All I can say as I am not RC is that it is not Ratzinger. The way he spoke Latin and Italian in that accent of his was appalling. It isn't? I wish that we would have made a bet on it.  |
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Post by deuceswild on Apr 19, 2005 17:38:31 GMT -5
I hope that he will be Latin American. It looks like he will be German. I wish that they would elect a healthy and younger pope. Cardinal Ratzinger isn't exactly a Spring chicken. Well, he certainly is up there in terms of age. I actually think that was a factor in his election. John Paul's pontificate lasted for a quarter of a century. |
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Post by Berter on Apr 19, 2005 17:59:27 GMT -5
The new Pope is an Alpinid from Bavaria. Carleton Coon once wrote that a Bavarian restaurant is the best place in the world to find an Alpinid, and the new Pope is not an exception to this rule. Four out of the last five popes, except the short lived Ioannes Paulus I, were Alpish through and through. Would it be right to associate religion (in that case, Christianism) with the alpine race!?. I think most peasants of ancient Europe were alpines, simple-minded men who were easily convinced to embrace Christianism. Not great at all... |
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Post by captainusa1 on Apr 19, 2005 18:13:41 GMT -5
Well, he certainly is up there in terms of age. I actually think that was a factor in his election. John Paul's pontificate lasted for a quarter of a century. I might have misunderstood what you meant by that. Did you mean that they wanted a pope who would have a short term? |
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Post by deuceswild on Apr 19, 2005 19:52:49 GMT -5
I might have misunderstood what you meant by that. Did you mean that they wanted a pope who would have a short term? Yes. The election of John Paul broke the mold, not just in terms of his nationality, but his age as well. He was elected as Pope when he was 58. The average age at which a pope is elected is 65 and over. You can read a bit more about how age influences matters here . |
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Post by mike2 on Apr 19, 2005 21:37:54 GMT -5
The new Pope is an Alpinid from Bavaria. Carleton Coon once wrote that a Bavarian restaurant is the best place in the world to find an Alpinid, and the new Pope is not an exception to this rule. Four out of the last five popes, except the short lived Ioannes Paulus I, were Alpish through and through. I agree, Ratzinger is an Alpine, but why do you think John Paul was an Alpine? I think East Baltic or Neo-Danubian would be more appropiate because he's from Poland. |
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Post by Q. Valerius Priscus on Apr 19, 2005 23:07:59 GMT -5
I agree, Ratzinger is an Alpine, but why do you think John Paul was an Alpine? I think East Baltic or Neo-Danubian would be more appropiate because he's from Poland. I said that Ioannes Paulus II was a Baltid and not that he was an Alpinid. The Baltids are progressive Alpish race-types, and many of them are really proximal Alpish. The Alpish race-circle includes many race-types and local forms, and is not really a race, but really a group of Europid types, f.e. Alpinids, Baltids, Armenids, Dinarids, Pamirids and other such types. The First Law of Alpish race theory states that 'The racial value of groups and individuals is negatively correlated with their distance from the Alpinid racetype'. The Alpinid is the Golden Standard of the Alpish race-circle really the most advanced Europid form. |
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Post by Q. Valerius Priscus on Apr 19, 2005 23:16:02 GMT -5
Would it be right to associate religion (in that case, Christianism) with the alpine race!?. I think most peasants of ancient Europe were alpines, simple-minded men who were easily convinced to embrace Christianism. Not great at all... is the greatest religion and yes it is correlated with the Alpish race-types. The more narrow-headed of the north/south have simplified religions like Protestantism and Islam, quite simple uncomplicated ones really and adapted to their own level of cerebral development. Is it any wonder really that Bavaria is the richest of all Federal countries in Germany? Peasants indeed! |
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