Ioulianos
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Post by Ioulianos on Apr 8, 2004 19:39:46 GMT -5
Nihil igitur mors est ad nos!  |
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Post by symmakhos on Apr 9, 2004 8:28:29 GMT -5
Nihil igitur mors est ad nos! You voted for Epicurus, then? epeidêper hotan men hêmeis wmen, ho thanatos ou parestin, hotan de ho thanatos parêi, tote hêmeis ouk esmen.  I voted for the pre-Socratics. Ho polemos pantwn patêr! |
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Post by kynikos on Apr 9, 2004 12:09:05 GMT -5
Artemissia,
I think your grouping of the "Pre-Socratics" is too loose to make sense.
You could at least separate Pythagoras and Heraclitus from the rest of the bunch, mainly the Anax***s.
Are Socrates fans meant to vote for Plato? Not fair, IMO...
And on what grounds have you included Aristotle as a... philosopher? (Hehe, only joking - says he ducking)
Can't really vote, as it stands...
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Post by Artemisia on Apr 9, 2004 14:00:43 GMT -5
Artemissia, I think your grouping of the "Pre-Socratics" is too loose to make sense. You could at least separate Pythagoras and Heraclitus from the rest of the bunch, mainly the Anax***s. Are Socrates fans meant to vote for Plato? Not fair, IMO... And on what grounds have you included Aristotle as a... philosopher? (Hehe, only joking - says he ducking) Well, I grouped the Pre-Socratics together because the poll allows only a limited number of choices and space. I would have liked to include Democritus, Thales, and the other Pre-Socratics but I had to include later philosophers as well. I didn't put Socrates as a choice on purpose. If you have HIM as a choice, everyone is going to vote for him. I see Socrates as the first psychologist in history........he seems to have initiated cognitive-behavioral therapy. I voted for the Pre-Socratics, although Epicurianism and Platonism also appeal a lot to me. Heck, they're all great and it's hard to chose one over the other. |
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Post by Scoob on Apr 9, 2004 16:27:52 GMT -5
I voted Pre-Socratics. They are the deepest to me regarding nature and the cosmos.
Other Greek writers were very good regarding human feeling and the human experience, but no names in particular stand out in my mind.
Plato's Politeia is very good regarding totalitarian politics - his thoughts are still quite relevant. The Symposio is great regarding Love.
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Post by Sandwich on Apr 9, 2004 17:19:19 GMT -5
Kynikos, what have you got against Aristotle? If you're philosophically trained, it must be anglo-saxon style From Hegel to Heidegger, Aristotle is the man. (pre-socratic influence on Heidegger is all very well, but Aristotelian notion of Physis is at the core). Unless you're a post-modern anti-essentialist of course. |
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Post by Ioulianos on Apr 10, 2004 11:56:21 GMT -5
You voted for Epicurus, then? epeidêper hotan men hêmeis wmen, ho thanatos ou parestin, hotan de ho thanatos parêi, tote hêmeis ouk esmen. Yes,his first doctrine.Take a look at this.It was found in a Roman tomb: "Non fui,fui,non sum,non curo" |
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Post by Scoob on Apr 10, 2004 15:54:24 GMT -5
You guys are losing me with this Latin and Greek. Translations, please?
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Post by symmakhos on Apr 12, 2004 3:50:56 GMT -5
Sorry, Scoob, here's Epicurus:
nihil est mors ad nos.
epeidêper hotan men hêmeis wmen, ho thanatos ou parestin, hotan de ho thanatos parêi, tote hêmeis ouk esmen.
Death is nothing to us. Because when we are, death is not present, and when death is present, we are not.
Heraclitus:
Ho polemos pantwn patêr<br>
War is the father of everything
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Post by kynikos on Apr 12, 2004 11:27:46 GMT -5
Hi Sandwich, Kynikos, what have you got against Aristotle? If you're philosophically trained, it must be anglo-saxon style I've got nothing against Aristotle! Hell of a logician, but not much good at telling a joke, so the story goes... And he is indeed the man when it comes to Hegel-2-Heidegger, as evidenced by the inheritted lack of humour in that stream, too. And no, I'm not philosophically trained. Goodness knows they tried to train me, but failed miserably, thank God. Mind you if I knew there was an "Anglo-Saxon style", I might have tried harder. Is it anything to do with the Monty Python "Philosopher's Song"? Haven't got a clue as to what that is, but I'm sure I am. I try to be as inclusive as possible these days... |
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Post by kynikos on Apr 12, 2004 11:34:07 GMT -5
Artemisia
I bet you that if you included Socrates, NOT everyone would vote for him! Sure maybe 90% of us would. But not everyone....
Call it a hunch. There are some hardcore Epicureans and assorted anti-Socratics out there these days ;D
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Here's a (non-serious) suggestion: How about a poll on which philosophers we like least. That should give some interesing results. Hehe, only kidding of course...
In the end, in the absemce of Socrates I vote for Plato as his proxy.
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Post by Ioulianos on Apr 12, 2004 14:53:54 GMT -5
You guys are losing me with this Latin and Greek. Translations, please? "Non fui,fui,non sum,non curo" means "I didnt exist,i existed,i dont exist,i dont care".A brave stance,clearly epikurean.Unfortunatelly,all you can see in modern tombs is miserable carvings like "Anameno anastasi nekron"(I wait for ressurection of deads). |
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Post by Artemisia on Apr 12, 2004 15:29:55 GMT -5
Why don't you create one, hmm? Should be interesting to read people's opinions. |
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Post by kynikos on Apr 12, 2004 16:32:56 GMT -5
Hey, I thought of it Artemisia, but I'd rather not encourage people's negativity.... ;D
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Post by Satyros on Apr 14, 2004 14:34:15 GMT -5
I will not vote for a philosopher of the ones proposed, but i will try to characterize our historical era philosophically, as somewhat Epicurean, or maybe a falsely/paranoid Epicurean era (capitalism/environmental destruction), but this is only the phenomenal philosophical orientation of our (Western) societies. Below the obvious "Epicurean" phenomena our historical era and the orientation of our societies is DEEPLY and sadly Cynical.......
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