Sandwich
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La pens?e d'un homme est avant tout sa nostalgie
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Post by Sandwich on Apr 14, 2004 15:53:12 GMT -5
 Barrel o' laughs, that Immanuel Kant, really cracks me up. Old Leibnitz, it's the way he tells 'em. John Stuart Mill's mother-in-law jokes had me rolling on the floor. Nice one, Plato; they always fall for the bucket over the door. Plato once defined man as a "featherless biped". When the philosopher Diogenes heard about Plato's definition, he presented his rival with a plucked chicken. "Here," he then declared, "is Plato's man!" Plato then added "having broad nails" to his original definition. Thanks for the reminder of the philosopher's song. www.voccoquan.com/Hinrichs/philosopher.htm
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Post by kynikos on Apr 15, 2004 5:42:19 GMT -5
Hey Guys (and Dolls)
I just realised we're probably in the wrong forum.
Looks like there's a philosophy section, too. Oh, well I suppose the moderators can always move us along.
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Sandwich yo' the man,
Your excellently researched hyperlink made me realise that Heidegger probably escaped the Aristotelian influence as far as humour goes. I am now looking for a picture of him in his bonnet, which I will frame and place on my desk.
('Course it only confirmed my views as far the the rest of that crew goes - what a bunch of miserable old sods.)
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Now your Plato/Diogenes story actually confirmed what I long suspected - that Plato and Diogenes were in fact a spontaneous "double act". Plato played the straight guy, while Diogenes was the clown. But they were very much in it together, oh, yeah.
When Plato gave the analogy of the "Wingless Biped" he was hinting that Man was no Angel yet!
Diogenes riposte was by way of explanation: Man has not acquired his spiritual nature yet, because he is "chicken" and plucked, at that.
Plato then "chastises" Diogenes, by saying his nails are broad, i.e. shovel-like, and he has "buried" (Ýèáøå) Man with this comparrison. (buried is Greek-speak for dismiissed)
What a pair. Man I'd love to have heard what Diogenes said next....
How about a caption competition...?
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Post by Artemisia on Apr 19, 2004 8:30:04 GMT -5
"Step aside. You're blocking my sunlight!" ;D
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Post by kynikos on Apr 21, 2004 7:55:49 GMT -5
Artemisia,
«Hey, I can't argue with a chick.... »
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Post by Artemisia on Apr 22, 2004 11:03:17 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D
I just love Diogenes. He has been described as "a Socrates gone mad!" I wonder how he could afford to have a slave, though.
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Post by Melnorme on Apr 22, 2004 11:28:42 GMT -5
Hey Guys (and Dolls) I just realised we're probably in the wrong forum. Looks like there's a philosophy section, too. Oh, well I suppose the moderators can always move us along. Yes, they can.  |
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Post by Graeme on Apr 23, 2004 10:32:59 GMT -5
Diogenes! The guy in the barrel.
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Post by Artemisia on Apr 25, 2004 12:37:34 GMT -5
Diogenes! The guy in the barrel. Ummmm, that would probably have been a tub instead of a barrel. The weirdo......he even encouraged his followers to have sex in public!  |
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Post by kynikos on Apr 26, 2004 10:01:05 GMT -5
Sometimes (after long talks with Plato) you could hear him muttering... "I feel like a bird" |
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Post by Artemidoros on Apr 30, 2004 17:24:07 GMT -5
"Non fui,fui,non sum,non curo" means "I didnt exist,i existed,i dont exist,i dont care".A brave stance,clearly epikurean.Unfortunatelly,all you can see in modern tombs is miserable carvings like "Anameno anastasi nekron"(I wait for ressurection of deads). On the gravestone of one Nikos Kazantzakis you can read " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free." |
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Ioulianos
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Post by Ioulianos on Apr 30, 2004 19:16:02 GMT -5
On the gravestone of one Nikos Kazantzakis you can read " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free." Do you mean the guy that orthodox church refused to bury? |
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Post by Artemidoros on May 2, 2004 18:31:08 GMT -5
Do you mean the guy that orthodox church refused to bury? I don't think he cared  |
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Post by kynikos on May 3, 2004 20:09:48 GMT -5
I don't think he cared Maybe that's why so many people have taken it upon themselves to care for him... Seriously, though a bit OT, a fascinating relation of the events surrounding his funaeral can be found here: home.vicnet.net.au/~hwaa/gr/logos_page_3111.htm(Sorry, it's in Greek) |
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Post by Artemisia on May 3, 2004 22:10:52 GMT -5
Sometimes (after long talks with Plato) you could hear him muttering... "I feel like a bird" Did he ever meet Plato? He was a contemporary of Aristotle and Alexander. But then again, Plato lived into his 80s so maybe they did have a meeting. I wonder what Plato would think of him........tub and all........  Has anyone here read the "Meditations" of M. Aurelius? I'm currently reading it for the second time and the guy is inspirational but a bit depressing. Did you guys know that M. Aurelius was an opium addict? |
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Post by kynikos on May 4, 2004 6:37:43 GMT -5
Did he ever meet Plato? He was a contemporary of Aristotle and Alexander. But then again, Plato lived into his 80s so maybe they did have a meeting. I wonder what Plato would think of him........tub and all........ I think they were easily contemporary enough to have met, although I don't know if there is any reliable documentation of such a meeting, beyond fable, that is. Even the famous meeting of (old) Diogenes and (young) Alexander is often questioned, and the evidence is, IIRC, flimsy at best. However, I am happy to speculate - as I said, what a team they would have made... Yes, as a matter of fact it was on my desk, by coincidence, as I was looking something up. I think your catchphrase, "INSPIRATIONAL BUT DEPRESSING", is the best summing up of the Stoics I've heard for a while. They actually remind me quite a lot of early Buddhist philosophy, in terms of accepting phenomena in order to understand their cause and nature. Now if Stoicism had had a sense of fun, wouldn''t that have been dandy. The theoretical elegance of the Stoics, with the practical, in yer face, no bullshit, style of the Cynics. A philosophy for our era... |
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Barrel o' laughs, that Immanuel Kant, really cracks me up. Old Leibnitz, it's the way he tells 'em. John Stuart Mill's mother-in-law jokes had me rolling on the floor. Nice one, Plato; they always fall for the bucket over the door.
