What Religion Preserves Races

[hodgson]

Frankly I feel Islam preserves races, looking throughout the world I have noticed that only in the middle east there exists massive racial differences between racial groups while at the same time preserving a common value system. It really is amazing; aids in that part of the world does not exist, which is a precursor to how they sexually behave. Even in the Islamic religion one cannot legally leave a city or village, If they’re happens to be a disease in that location. On my visit to Turkey I even noticed traditional Greeks who still speak their original tong, yet they practice a common value system with other Muslims, and affiliate them self’s with Islam more than there original culture. How strange though, that a faith can preserve identity while at the same time uniting. It really seems ironic though how nationalist promote the greatest segregation yet they them self’s have high percentages of other ethnic blood. Strange. In my own family ive noticed that Christianity tents to promote a type of nationalism that sets us to odds with other groups or ethnicities, but of what I have noticed the war that comes out of it somehow brings them together in way they despise, such as in the case of South Africa or Germany with the Jews. I’m not trying to promote a faith, but it is an interesting subject I would like to discuss.

[Tautalos]

As far as I know, Islam promotes an universalist faith as being above all else, and that is the essence and root of militantl miscigenation.

About what Islam thinks about racism, see

(this next one, mistakes Wotan for Thunor)

www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com/antisemitism.htm


www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com/p_thepagan.htm

[alex221166]

hodgson said:

Frankly I feel Islam preserves races, looking throughout the world I have noticed that only in the middle east there exists massive racial differences between racial groups while at the same time preserving a common value system. It really is amazing; aids in that part of the world does not exist, which is a precursor to how they sexually behave. Even in the Islamic religion one cannot legally leave a city or village, If they’re happens to be a disease in that location. On my visit to Turkey I even noticed traditional Greeks who still speak their original tong, yet they practice a common value system with other Muslims, and affiliate them self’s with Islam more than there original culture. How strange though, that a faith can preserve identity while at the same time uniting. It really seems ironic though how nationalist promote the greatest segregation yet they them self’s have high percentages of other ethnic blood. Strange. In my own family ive noticed that Christianity tents to promote a type of nationalism that sets us to odds with other groups or ethnicities, but of what I have noticed the war that comes out of it somehow brings them together in way they despise, such as in the case of South Africa or Germany with the Jews. I’m not trying to promote a faith, but it is an interesting subject I would like to discuss.

Islam is by far the most intolerant monotheistic religion. In the VII century AD, it was probably more "modern" than Christianity, but it failed miserably in reforming itself - unlike Christianity, or Judaism, both well adapted to the modern times we live in.

Furthermore, the treatment and attitudes towards women - which is the norm in ALL Islamic countries - is simply disgusting. Last night I read about a 5 Pakistanis living in Australia (4 brothers) who gang-raped 2 Australian teens. They are going to be sentenced to life, and their father had the nerve to say that "they aren't used to your [the Australian] culture"... One would assume that they used to do that sort of thing back home...

I have nothing against Muslims, but I have no respect whatsoever for an intolerant religion that excuses the murder of men and raping their women just because they are "infidels". And no, I am not making this up - this is all written in the Koran.

For more information about Islam, please check this page

www.geocities.com/islamic_image

As to AIDS, Pakistan has a HUGE number people infected with HIV as a result of the use of drugs.

[Tautalos]

alex said:

Furthermore, the treatment and attitudes towards women - which is the norm in ALL Islamic countries - is simply disgusting. Last night I read about a 5 Pakistanis living in Australia (4 brothers) who gang-raped 2 Australian teens. They are going to be sentenced to life, and their father had the nerve to say that "they aren't used to your [the Australian] culture"... One would assume that they used to do that sort of thing back home...

I have nothing against Muslims, but I have no respect whatsoever for an intolerant religion that excuses the murder of men and raping their women just because they are "infidels". And no, I am not making this up - this is all written in the Koran.

Nowadays, it seems to be a trend in France that young northern African muslims rape young French girls.

[caucasoid]

hodgson said:

Frankly I feel Islam preserves races, looking throughout the world I have noticed that only in the middle east there exists massive racial differences between racial groups while at the same time preserving a common value system.

Islam does, but so does Orthodox Christianity.

[hodgson]

Islam is by far the most intolerant monotheistic religion. In the VII century AD, it was probably more "modern" than Christianity, but it failed miserably in reforming itself - unlike Christianity, or Judaism, both well adapted to the modern times we live in.

Furthermore, the treatment and attitudes towards women - which is the norm in ALL Islamic countries - is simply disgusting. Last night I read about a 5 Pakistanis living in Australia (4 brothers) who gang-raped 2 Australian teens. They are going to be sentenced to life, and their father had the nerve to say that "they aren't used to your [the Australian] culture"... One would assume that they used to do that sort of thing back home...

I have nothing against Muslims, but I have no respect whatsoever for an intolerant religion that excuses the murder of men and raping their women just because they are "infidels". And no, I am not making this up - this is all written in the Koran.

For more information about Islam, please check this page

www.geocities.com/islamic_image

As to AIDS, Pakistan has a HUGE number people infected with HIV as a result of the use of drugs.



Hahah reforming its self? What are you talking about, a religion has to reform its self to fit your life style lol. Seriously come on, should isalm reforme its self so that it can accommodate Homosexuality, Homosexuality existed way before the coming of Islam, the religion came so that it can stop such things. Do you think Islam should become more Femminan so that it can accommodate the west’s own mistakes toward woman, go to Egypt, woman are almost always more aggressive than the men. Under Islamic law woman can declare divorce, own land and have there own money. There also not obligated not to use there money toward anything other than there own personal desires. Just because twenty years ago in Europe and the United States woman were not able to own land or even allowed to hold money, or that the military used woman as target practice in the United States air force. Dose not mean an innocent part of the word has to some how pay reparations for something they were never involved in. seriously if you have anything intelligent so say , say it, but if you don’t, don’t say anything at all. The Talaban in Afghanistan would send America videos of rape victims killing the men that raped them as a public form of execution under Islamic law. I as a former UN observer saw one of these execution on a tape they were sending the American Government. Its really nice you found the exception and not the rule, but this is not what I am discussing in this chat room nor is it what you posted related to the topic. Thank you


Nowadays, it seems to be a trend in France that young northern African muslims rape young French girls.

Hah, wow amazing , Amazingly how many North African are getting raped by French men. It a lot last time I checked. But what’s the point of this post, France tried to turn Algeria into one big prostitution country, thank god they failed. But what was your point? I wonder how many rapes happened in Russia this weekend, or how many rapes happened in Serbia. How about how many rapes are committed by Mexicans in America. If your doing a comparison of people who are of the same economic situation of north Africans no less cultural war, you would find that more rapes by far are committed by other religous groups such as mexicans serbs russians. Strange how you only singled out north African Muslims. I loved how you used the word Muslim you make it seem like their faith is some how oriented them to raping people. Lastly what’s the point of you mentioning this pointless peace of information, does it have anything to do with what I am talking about. So far only one person that has come close to what I was trying to start, and that’s caucasoid


As for Causcasoind, I would like to think your right, but if you look closely at Serbia there are not that many sub ethnic groups. Your either Russian Serb Orthodox or Russian/ serb or your either Greek or Syrian orthodox, or just Greek. As for Muslims, though there are Albanians and Bosnians ( a legitimate ethnic group) there are also several Greek Muslims that still keep there original tong such as the Pontus and many others. A couple are still living in Anatolia to day.

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[alex221166]

To Hodgson

"Hahah reforming its self?"

Hahah. Yes.

"What are you talking about, a religion has to reform its self to fit your life style lol."

No, a religion has to reform itself to fit the age we live in - unless of course, you are one of those who believes that killing the enemies of your religion and raping their women in the name of God is a good thing. Nevertheless, I couldn't care less about honour killings, gang-rape for women that don't dress according to their religious codes, or sentencing a woman to be raped by the whole village because her older brother dated a woman from a different caste (this last one happened in Pakistan). Of course, when they bring their barbaric behaviour to OUR homelands, then my tolerance for barbarism ends.

"Seriously come on, should islam reforme its self so that it can accommodate Homosexuality,"

Islam doesn't need to reform itself to accomodate homosexuality, because homosexuality and paedophylia is endemic in Islamic countries.

"Homosexuality existed way before the coming of Islam, the religion came so that it can stop such things."

Well, it failed miserably. Pederastry is endemic in Islamic countries, particularly in the most traditional islamic countries.

"Do you think Islam should become more Femminan so that it can accommodate the west’s own mistakes toward woman, go to Egypt, woman are almost always more aggressive than the men."

Women being treated as equals is not - in my opinion - a mistake. OUR MEN have enough self-control to be able to look at a woman who is showing some skin without needing to rape her. Who am I to say who is wrong?

"Under Islamic law woman can declare divorce, own land and have there own money."

In all western countries they can do all that. They are equals. And in the case of divorce, they aren't forced to leave their children behind. All Islamic countries repress women, which is why the Jordanian queen recently addressed the nation saying that it can't repress half of its population. Jordania is one of the most progressive Islamic countries. In Morocco, the king finally changed a law that allowed women to be outcasted and rejected by their husbands. A woman has to go to court to get a divorce, but a man only has to say three times "I reject you" to be able to throw her out of his house and marry another one.

"There also not obligated not to use there money toward anything other than there own personal desires."

Oh my! That would be wonderful, if in the west women hadn't always been able to do that!

"Just because twenty years ago in Europe and the United States woman were not able to own land or even allowed to hold money,"

? Are you on drugs or something?

"or that the military used woman as target practice in the United States air force."

Now I know you are on drugs.

"Does not mean an innocent part of the word has to some how pay reparations for something they were never involved in."

No, but you shoudl repair what is wrong IN YOUR RELIGION, or at least acknowledge that it is not suited to the modern world we live in, and quit the bullshit of trying to pass off as "tolerant", when the only tolerant Muslims are the ones that don't follow your religion literally and that have adapted!

"seriously if you have anything intelligent so say , say it, but if you don’t, don’t say anything at all."

Go face a mirror and say that as many times as you need to.

"The Talaban in Afghanistan would send America videos of rape victims killing the men that raped them as a public form of execution under Islamic law."

The death penalty is also barbaric (particularly when it is done in front of a crowd- but of course, you can't even realise that. What just shocked me, is how on Earth someone like YOU could have been a UN observer... the UN is really dead..

"I as a former UN observer saw one of these execution on a tape they were sending the American Government. Its really nice you found the exception and not the rule,"

The rule is that Muslims come to western countries because they can't stand their own countries' radicalism. Unfortunately, many times they can't adapt to our ways, which is why an Iman was sentenced in Spain after writing a "How to beat your wife without leaving bruises" book.

"but this is not what I am discussing in this chat room nor is it what you posted related to the topic. Thank you"

Yes, you lost a good chance to keep your mouth shut.

"Hah, wow amazing , Amazingly how many North African are getting raped by French men."

Yes, what is amazing is that I haven't heard of any. Most muslim girls are raped by Muslim males because they refuse to wear the hijab.

"But what was your point? I wonder how many rapes happened in Russia this weekend, or how many rapes happened in Serbia. How about how many rapes are committed by Mexicans in America. If your doing a comparison of people who are of the same economic situation of north Africans no less cultural war, you would find that more rapes by far are committed by other religous groups such as mexicans serbs russians. Strange how you only singled out north African Muslims."

It is not strange because THE KORAN DEFENDS THAT PRACTICE when it is done upon infidels! Have you read the book?

www.geocities.com/islamic_image/

Koran 004.034
Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

Arabic: Alrrijalu qawwamoona AAala alnnisa-i bima faddala Allahu baAAdahum AAala baAAdin wabima anfaqoo min amwalihim faalssalihatu qanitatun hafithatun lilghaybi bima hafitha Allahu waallatee takhafoona nushoozahunna faAAithoohunna waohjuroohunna fee almadajiAAi waidriboohunna fa-in ataAAnakum fala tabghoo AAalayhinna sabeelan inna Allaha kana AAaliyyan kabeeran

[hodgson]

Barbarism? Your talking about the Pakistan’s that lived in Western, that raped a girl from a different tribe. Ok what dose this have to do with Islam, your really confused. Cant you tell the difference between someone’s culture and some ones backward culture and someone’s faith.

OUR HOME LAND? Your not serous, they been to our homeland and they’ve already influenced it, All these so called “European Values” are not just European. Wake up and smell coffee. Spain belonged to these people, there ideas have already been infused into European thought. IF all the stuff that you say is True about Muslim countries then its true about our self’s as well, and a lot of your creditability seems to be on the line her, the fact you talk about comes from anti Islamic groups, such as the Hindotavas (a fascist Indian political group that want to unite India on some sort of Pagan orthodoxy) and Israeli organizations that want to dumb down their own problems with the Palestinians. They’re not real fact, can’t you tell the difference between propaganda and facts? No disrespect intended


Islam doesn't need to reform itself to accomodate homosexuality, because homosexuality and paedophylia is endemic in Islamic countries.

First of all its accommodate not accommodate!

Second of all its pedophilia not paedophylia !

O really! Yet again your fact seem wildly wrong. I don’t even see the rational behind this statement. Are you on drugs? Or are you on the Opium the American Military is importing from Afghanistan, seeing that opium production in Afghanistan has peaked since the ousting. lol
Come on man, seriously how stupid do you have to be, to make a statement like that, it’s so laughable. Islamic society’s are so conservative. Gang rapes lolol seriously. You insult your self by such statements.

Well, it failed miserably. Pederastry is endemic in Islamic countries, particularly in the most traditional islamic countries.

Third of all its pederasty not pederastry
Forth of all its Islamic not islamic

There’s another one of those statements, completely out there, I was really hoping to have an intelligent conversation, with intelligent people.

Women being treated as equals is not - in my opinion - a mistake. OUR MEN have enough self-control to be able to look at a woman who is showing some skin without needing to rape her. Who am I to say who is wrong?

Correct your Grammar!

O you’re so right, every day It pains me to see my European sister on TV commercialized and corroded. It pains me to see my mothers and sisters used as objects on commercials. It pains me not to be able hardy find a real family in Europe. It pains me when Russian prostitutes are shipped in to western European countries. It also really bothers me when people like you who have destroyed the European family so that you can get tail from emotionally unstable girls who would other wise never ever give you a second look.
In all western countries they can do all that. They are equals. And in the case of divorce, they aren't forced to leave their children behind. All Islamic countries repress women, which is why the Jordanian queen recently addressed the nation saying that it can't repress half of its population. Jordania is one of the most progressive Islamic countries. In Morocco, the king finally changed a law that allowed women to be outcasted and rejected by their husbands. A woman has to go to court to get a divorce, but a man only has to say three times "I reject you" to be able to throw her out of his house and marry another one.

Fifth of all its Jordan not Jordania
Sixth of all its outcaste, there’s no such thing as outcasted

Another mistake Jordan is not the most progressive states; Turkey, Syria, Pakistan, Egypt, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Bosnia, Albania, Tajikistan and Malaysia are considered the more progressive states. And you seem to be mentioning these countries as progressive, when there kings clam to be direct descendents of the Prophet. Also in these so-called progressive countries as you call them torture is legal. The king of Jordan wipes out whole families if any one even mentions him in a bad light. Same goes for Morocco. What a joke, the King of Jordan mentions this stuff to divert attention away from his Palestinian problem he has in his own country. American rate of husband beating wives exceeds that of Jordan a million times. And lets see what jordan has to deal with. Super low unemployment, economic down fall, ultra low literacy rate, no ecnomic resources, an on flood of immigrants from other countries, disenfranchised Palestinians that are in a country that’s not theirs. I would say Jordan is doing good morally for there condition, in fact I would say there doing really well.

Oh my! That would be wonderful, if in the west women hadn't always been able to do that!

Woman in western society make less than men. And if western society was not doing so well economically they would certainly be worrying about it. This advent of the free women in western society is new. I would think you would know that. But I am giving you to much credit.

Are you on drugs or something?

Last time I checked it was called critical thinking

Now I know you are on drugs.

No, its called knowing your history, but if know your history means your on drugs lol, you’ve got another thing going for your self buddy.

No, but you shoudl repair what is wrong IN YOUR RELIGION, or at least acknowledge that it is not suited to the modern world we live in, and quit the bullshit of trying to pass off as "tolerant", when the only tolerant Muslims are the ones that don't follow your religion literally and that have adapted!

Seventh of all its should and not shoudl

Its vary much suited for the modern world. And many more people who are smarter than you agree with me who are not Muslim

1) Michael H. Hart of USA who wrote "The 100 most influential persons in history" and placed Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as number one, on the top of the list.
George Bernard Shaw:
"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving the problems in a way that would bring the much needed peace and happiness. Europe is beginning to be enamored of the creed of Muhammad. In the next century it may go further in recognizing the utility of that creed in solving its problems."
(A Collection of writing of some of the eminent scholars, 1935).

[hodgson]

Lamartine's tribute to the Prophet:
"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could claim to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad?"
(Histoire de la Turquie, 1855).
Gandhi:
2) "I become more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers and his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle”.
(Young India, 1922).
Part of the speech given by Carly Florina, CEO of Hewlett Packard, at Minnesoata, Minneapiolis September 26, 2001
Titled "WHAT DOES OUR FUTURE DEMAND OF LEADERS TODAY?"
There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.
It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins. One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between. And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and logarithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration. Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things. When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others. While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent. Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership. And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions. This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity. In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership." CEO of Hewlett Packard Carly Florina For the full speech, please go here.

Napolean Bonaparte as Quoted in Christian Cherfils, ‘Bonaparte et Islam,’ Pedone Ed., Paris, France, 1914, pp. 105, 125.
Original References: "Correspondance de Napoléon Ier Tome V pièce n° 4287 du 17/07/1799..."
"Moses has revealed the existence of God to his nation. Jesus Christ to the Roman world, Muhammad to the old continent...
"Arabia was idolatrous when, six centuries after Jesus, Muhammad introduced the worship of the God of Abraham, of Ishmael, of Moses, and Jesus. The Ariyans and some other sects had disturbed the tranquility of the east by agitating the question of the nature of the Father, the son, and the Holy Ghost. Muhammad declared that there was none but one God who had no father, no son and that the trinity imported the idea of idolatry...
"I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of Qur'an which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness."

Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.
"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."
"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity."
"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today."

Bertrand Russel in ‘History of Western Philosophy,’ London, 1948, p. 419.
"Our use of phrase 'The Dark ages' to cover the period from 699 to 1,000 marks our undue concentration on Western Europe...
"From India to Spain, the brilliant civilization of Islam flourished. What was lost to christendom at this time was not lost to civilization, but quite the contrary...
"To us it seems that West-European civilization is civilization, but this is a narrow view."

H.G. Wells
"The Islamic teachings have left great traditions for equitable and gentle dealings and behavior, and inspire people with nobility and tolerance. These are human teachings of the highest order and at the same time practicable. These teachings brought into existence a society in which hard-heartedness and collective oppression and injustice were the least as compared with all other societies preceding it....Islam is replete with gentleness, courtesy, and fraternity."

Dr. William Draper in 'History of Intellectual Development of Europe'
"During the period of the Caliphs the learned men of the Christians and the Jews were not only held in great esteem but were appointed to posts of great responsibility, and were promoted to the high ranking job in the government....He (Caliph Haroon Rasheed) never considered to which country a learned person belonged nor his faith and belief, but only his excellence in the field of learning."

Thomas Carlyle in ‘Heroes, Hero Worship, and the Heroic in History,’ Lecture 2, Friday, 8th May 1840.
"As there is no danger of our becoming, any of us, Mahometans (i.e. Muslim), I mean to say all the good of him I justly can...
"When Pococke inquired of Grotius, where the proof was of that story of the pigeon, trained to pick peas from Mahomet's (Muhammad's) ear, and pass for an angel dictating to him? Grotius answered that there was no proof!...
"A poor, hard-toiling, ill-provided man; careless of what vulgar men toil for. Not a bad man, I should say; Something better in him than hunger of any sort, -- or these wild arab men, fighting and jostling three-and-twenty years at his hand, in close contact with him always, would not revered him so! They were wild men bursting ever and anon into quarrel, into all kinds of fierce sincerity; without right worth and manhood, no man could have commanded them. They called him prophet you say? Why he stood there face to face with them; bare, not enshrined in any mystry; visibly clouting his own cloak, cobbling his own shoes; fighting, counselling, ordering in the midst of them: they must have seen what kind of man he was, let him be called what you like! No emperor with his tiaras was obeyed as this man in a cloak of his own clouting. During three-and-twenty years of rough actual trial. I find something of a veritable Hero necessary for that, of itself...
"These Arabs, the man Mahomet, and that one century, - is it not as if a spark had fallen, one spark, on a world of what proves explosive powder, blazes heaven-high from Delhi to Granada! I said, the Great man was always as lightning out of Heaven; the rest of men waited for him like fuel, and then they too would flame..."

[hodgson]

Phillip Hitti in 'Short History of the Arabs.'
"During all the first part of the Middle Ages, no other people made as important a contribution to human progress as did the Arabs, if we take this term to mean all those whose mother-tongue was Arabic, and not merely those living in the Arabian peninsula. For centuries, Arabic was the language of learning, culture and intellectual progress for the whole of the civilized world with the exception of the Far East. From the IXth to the XIIth century there were more philosophical, medical, historical, religiuos, astronomical and geographical works written in Arabic than in any other human tongue."

Carra de Vaux in 'The Philosophers of Islam,' Paris, 1921.
"Finally how can one forget that at the same time the Mogul Empire of India (1526-1857 C.E.) was giving the world the Taj Mahal (completed in 1648 C.E.) the architectural beauty of which has never been surpassed, and the ‘Akbar Nameh’ of Abul Fazl: "That extraordinary work full of life ideas and learning where every aspect of life is examined listed and classified, and where progress continually dazzles the eye, is a document of which Oriental civilization may justly be proud. The men whose genius finds its expression in this book were far in advance of their age in the practical art of government, and they were perhaps in advance of it in their speculations about religious philosophy. Those poets those philosophers knew how to deal with the world or matter. They observe, classify, calculate and experiment. All the ideas that occur to them are tested against facts. They express them with eloquence but they also support them with statistics."...the principles of tolerance, justice and humanity which prevailed during the long reign of Akbar."

Marcel Clerget in 'La Turquie, Passe et Present,' Paris, 1938.
"Many proofs of high cultural level of the Ottoman Empire during the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent are to be found in the development of science and law; in the flowering of literary works in Arabic, Persian and Turkish; in the contemporary monuments in Istanbul, Bursa, and Edirne; in the boom in luxury industries; in the sumptuous life of the court and high dignitaries, and last but not least in its religious tolerance. All the various influences - notably Turkish, Byzantine and Italian mingle together and help to make this the most brilliant epoch of the Ottomans."

Michael the Elder (Great) as Quoted in 'Michael the Elder, Chronique de Michael Syrien, Patriarche Jacobite d’ Antioche,' J.B. Chabot, Editor, Vol. II, Paris, 1901.
"This is why the God of vengeance, who alone is all-powerful, and changes the empire of mortals as He will, giving it to whomsoever He will, and uplifting the humble beholding the wickedness of the Romans who throughout their dominions, cruelly plundered our churches and our monasteries and condemned us without pity, brought from the region of the south the sons of Ishmael, to deliver us through them from the hands of the Romans. And if in truth we have suffered some loss, because the Catholic churches, that had been taken away from us and given to the Chalcedonians, remained in their possession; for when the cities submitted to the Arabs, they assigned to each denomination the churches which they found it to be in possession of (and at that time the great churches of Emessa and that of Harran had been taken away from us); nevertheless it was no slight advantage for us to be delivered from the cruelty of the Romans, their wickedness, their wrath and cruel zeal against us, and to find ourselves at people. (Michael the Elder, Jacobite Patriarch of Antioch wrote this text in the latter part of the twelfth century, after five centuries of Muslim rule in that region. Click here for a relevant document sent to the monks of St. Catherine Monastery in Mt. Sinai, 628 C.E.)

Sir John Bagot Glubb
“Khalif (Caliph) Al-Ma'mun's period of rule (813 - 833 C.E.) may be considered the 'golden age' of science and learning. He had always been devoted to books and to learned pursuits. His brilliant mind was interested in every form of intellectual activity. Not only poetry but also philosophy, theology, astronomy, medicine and law all occupied his time.”
“By Mamun's time medical schools were extremely active in Baghdad. The first free public hospital was opened in Baghdad during the Caliphate of Haroon-ar-Rashid. As the system developed, physicians and surgeons were appointed who gave lectures to medical students and issued diplomas to those who were considered qualified to practice. The first hospital in Egypt was opened in 872 AD and thereafter public hospitals sprang up all over the empire from Spain and the Maghrib to Persia.”
On the Holocaust of Baghdad (1258 C.E.) Perpetrated by Hulagu:
“The city was systematically looted, destroyed and burnt. Eight hundred thousand persons are said to have been killed. The Khalif Mustasim was sewn up in a sack and trampled to death under the feet of Mongol horses.
“For five hundred years, Baghdad had been a city of palaces, mosques, libraries and colleges. Its universities and hospitals were the most up-to-date in the world. Nothing now remained but heaps of rubble and a stench of decaying human flesh.”<br>



Keith L. Moore

Professor Emeritus, Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology, University of Toronto. Distinguished embryologist and the author of several medical textbooks, including Clinically Oriented Anatomy (3rd Edition) and The Developing Human (5th Edition, with T.V.N. Persaud).

Investigations in to the 'alaqa or leech-like stage. Dr. Moore was a former President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists, and of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists. He was honoured by the Canadian Association of Anatomists with the prestigious J.C.B. Grant Award and in 1994 he received the Honoured Member Award of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists "for outstanding contributions to the field of clinical anatomy."
"For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology Committee of King cAbdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, helping them to interpret the many statements in the Qur'an and Sunnah referring to human reproduction and prenatal development. At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur'an and Sunnah."[2]At a conference in Cairo he presented a research paper and stated:"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah." [1]Professor Moore also stated that:"...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge."The intensive studies of the Qur'an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the descriptions in the Qur'an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century..."[1]

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E. Marshall Johnson

Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Developmental Biology, and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.


Author of over 200 publications. Former President of the Teratology Society among other accomplishments. Professor Johnson began to take an interest in the scientific signs in the Qur'an at the 7th Saudi Medical Conference (1982), when a special committee was formed to investigate scientific signs in the Qur'an and Hadith. At first, Professor Johnson refused to accept the existence of such verses in the Qur'an and Hadith. But after a dicussuion with Sheikh Zindani he took an interest and concentrated his research on the internal as well as external development of the fetus.
"...in summary, the Qur'an describes not only the development of external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasising major events recognised by contemporary science.""As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'an. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described...I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Muhammad had to be developing this information from some place... so I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write..." [1]


T.V.N. Persaud

Professor of Anatomy, and Professor of Paediatrics and Child Health, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.

Author and editor of over 20 books, and has published over 181 scientific papers. Co-author of The Developing Human (5th Edition, with Keith L. Moore). He received the J.C.B. Grant Award in 1991. Professor Peraud presented several research papers.
"It seems to me that Muhammad was a very ordinary man, he couldn't read, didn't know how to write, in fact he was an illiterate...We're talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature...I personally can't see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements." [1]


Joe Leigh Simpson

Professor and Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA.

He is the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynaecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Like many others, Professor Simpson was taken by surprise when he discovered that the Qur'an and Hadith contain verses related to his specialised field of study. When he met with Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A.Zindani, he insisted on verifying the text presented to him from the Qur'an and Hadith.
"... these Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the 'writer'... It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur'an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur'an having been derived from God." [1]


Gerald C. Goeringer

Professor and Co-ordinator of Medical Embryology in the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington DC, USA.

Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A.Zindani met with Professor Goeringer and asked him whether in the history of embryology was there any mention of the different stages of embryonic development, or whether there existed any embryological texts at the time of the Prophet. Sheikh Zindani also asked his opinion regarding the terms the Qur'an uses to describe the different phases of fetal development. After several long discussions, he presented a study at the 8th Saudi Medical Conference:
"...In a relatively few ayahs (Qur'anic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development such as classification, terminology, and description existed previously. In most, if not all instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature." [1]


Alfred Kroner

Professor of the Department of Geosciences, University of Mainz, Germany.

Professor Kroner is one of the world's most famous geologists, becoming well known among his colleague scientists for his criticisms against the theories of some of the major scientists in his field. Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A. Zindani met with him and presented several Qur'anic verses and Hadith which he studied and commented upon.
"Thinking where Muhammad came from... I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case.""Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics 1400 years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind for instance that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, or many others of the questions that we have discussed here...If you combine all these and you combine all these statements that are being made in the Qur'an in terms that relate to the earth and the formation of the earth and science in general, you can basically say that statements made there in many ways are true, they can now be confirmed by scientific methods, and in a way, you can say that the Qur'an is a simple science text book for the simple man. And that many of the statements made in there at that time could not be proven, but that modern scientific methods are now in a position to prove what Muhammad said 1400 years ago." [1]


Yushidi Kusan

Director of the Tokyo Observatory, Tokyo, Japan.

Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A. Zindani presented a number of Qur'anic verses describing the beginnings of the universe and of the heavens, and the relationship of the earth to the heavens. He expressed his astonishment, saying that the Qur'an describes the universe as seen from the highest observation point, everything is distinct and clear.
"I say, I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in Qur'an, and for us modern astronomers have been studying very small piece of the universe. We have concentrated our efforts for understanding of very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts of the sky without thinking about the whole universe. So by reading Qur'an and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe." [1]


Professor Armstrong

Professor Armstrong works for NASA and is also Professor of Astronomy, University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, USA.

Prof. Armstrong was asked a number of questions about Qur'anic verses dealing with his field of specialisation. He was eventually asked, "You have seen and discovered for yourself the true nature of modern Astronomy by means of modern equipment, rockets, and satellites developed by man. You have also seen how the same facts were mentioned by the Qur'an fourteen centuries ago. So what is your opinion?"
"That is a difficult question which I have been thinking about since our discussion here. I am impressed at how remarkably some of the ancient writings seem to correspond to modern and recent Astronomy. I am not a sufficient scholar of human history to project myself completely and reliably into the circumstances that 1400 years ago would have prevailed.Certainly, I would like to leave it at that, that what we have seen is remarkable, it may or may not admit of scientific explanation, there may well have to be something beyond what we understand as ordinary human experience to account for the writings that we have seen." [1]


William Hay

Professor of Oceanogprahy, University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA.

Professor Hay is one of the best known marine scientist in the USA. Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A. Zindani met with him and asked him many questions about the marine surface, the divider between upper and lower sea, and about the ocean floor and marine geology.
"I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Qur'an, and I have no way of knowing where they would have come from. But I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages."And when he was asked about the source of the Qur'an, he replied, "Well, I would think it must be the divine being." [1]

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Durja Rao

Professor of Marine Geology teaching at King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

Sheikh Zindani presented to Prof. Rao many verses dealing with his area of specialisation, and asked: "What do you think of the existence of the scientific information in the Qur'an? How could Prophet Muhammad have known about these facts fourteen centuries ago?"
"It is difficult to imagine that this type of knowledge was existing at that time, around 1400 years back. May be some of the things they have simple idea about, but to describe those things in great detail is very difficult. So this is definitely not simple human knowledge. A normal human being cannot explain this phenomenon in that much detail. So, I thought the information must have come from a supernatural source." [1]


Professor Siaveda

Professor of Marine Geology, Japan.

Sheikh Zindani asked him a number of questions in his area of specialisation, and then informed him of the Qur'anic verses and Hadith which mention the same phenomena he spoke of. One of the questions was concerning mountains. Sheikh Zindani asked him about the shape of mountains; and whether they were firmly rooted in the earth. "What is your opinion of what you have seen in the Qur'an and the Sunnah with regard to the secrets of the Universe, which scientists only discovered now?"
"I think it seems to me very, very mysterious, almost unbelievable. I really think if what you have said is true, the book is really a very remarkable book, I agree." [1]


Tejatat Tejasen

Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and is the former Dean of the faculty of Medicine, University of Chiang Mai, Chiang Mai, Thailand.

Professor Tejasen studied various articles concerning the Qur'an and modern embryology. He spent four days with several scholars, Muslims and non-Muslims, discussing this phenomenon in the Qur'an and Hadith. During the 8th Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia he stood up and said:
"In the last three years, I became interested in the Qur'an... From my studies and what I have learned throughout this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Qur'an fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means.Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible creator. This creator must be God, or Allah.I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Muhammad rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger of Allah...The most precious thing I have gained from coming to this conference is La ilaha illa Allah, and to have become Muslim." [1]


Dr. Maurice Bucaille

Born in 1920, former chief of the Surgical Clinic, University of Paris, has for a long time deeply interested in the correspondences between the teachings of the Holy Scriptures and modern secular knowledge.

He is the author of a best-seller, "The Bible, The Qur'an and Science" (1976). His classical studies of the scriptural languages, including Arabic, in association with his knowledge of hieroglyphics, have allowed him to hold a multidisciplinary inquiry, in which his personal contribution as a medical doctor has produced conclusive arguments. His work, "Mummies of the Pharaohs - Modern Medical Investigations" (St. Martins Press, 1990), won a History Prize from the Académie Française and another prize from the French National Academy of Medicine.His other works include: "What is the Origin of Man" (Seghers, 1988), "Moses and Pharaoh, the Hebrews in Egypt", (NTT Mediascope Inc, 1994); and "Réflexions sur le Coran" (Mohamed Talbi & Maurice Bucaille, Seghers, 1989)
After a study which lasted ten years, Dr. Maurice Bucaille addressed the French Academy of Medicine in 1976 concerning the existence in the Qur'an of certain statements concerning physiology and reproduction. His reason for doing that was that :"...our knowledge of these disciplines is such, that it is impossible to explain how a text produced at the time of the Qur'an could have contained ideas that have only been discovered in modern times.""The above observation makes the hypothesis advanced by those who see Muhammad as the author of the Qur'an untenable. How could a man, from being illiterate, become the most important author, in terms of literary merits, in the whole of Arabic literature?How could he then pronounce truths of a scientific nature that no other human-being could possibly have developed at that time, and all this without once making the slightest error in his pronouncement on the subject?"


Go face a mirror and say that as many times as you need to.

Why don’t you get the point. I didn’t want to do this but when someone pushes me they push me, as you can see any person in there right mind would have to admit there wrong by now! Are you in your right mind?

The death penalty is also barbaric (particularly when it is done in front of a crowd- but of course, you can't even realise that. What just shocked me, is how on Earth someone like YOU could have been a UN observer... the UN is really dead..

For the millionth time, its realize not realise

What’s barbaric is that people like you actually exist. There was never any real UN in the first place, were a pun superpowers use to justify their power.

The rule is that Muslims come to western countries because they can't stand their own countries' radicalism. Unfortunately, many times they can't adapt to our ways, which is why an Iman was sentenced in Spain after writing a "How to beat your wife without leaving bruises" book.

Well maybe if we would leave them alone they wouldn’t come, man its like I am talking to an American. I hope you know we colonized them about 30 years ago, and put sanctions on their countries.

Yes, you lost a good chance to keep your mouth shut.

I hope that was not a challenge. “Smart” guy

Yes, what is amazing is that I haven't heard of any. Most muslim girls are raped by Muslim males because they refuse to wear the hijab.

Didn’t we already go though this, seriously man get a life; you make this forum look bad.

t is not strange because THE KORAN DEFENDS THAT PRACTICE when it is done upon infidels! Have you read the book?

O really! O Ya --- I have read the book lolololololololol

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

I guess you degree in Arabic to determine its meaning seeing it a non literal translation? And I am guessing that’s the Arabic for it lolololololololololololololol seeing your having a hard time with English, you don’t need to be venturing off into other languages. Lolol I so sorry it just that it’s really hard to take a person like you seriously, who cant even spell! lololol

[HINDI]

Islam is a psychopath religion and I can get very offended if someone calls me a Muslim..

The religion that's preserves race is Brahmanism among the Vedic (Hindu) religion and stands for preserving the ancient Aryan bloodlines..

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To Hodgson

"Barbarism?"

Yes.

"Your talking about the Pakistan’s that lived in Western, that raped a girl from a different tribe. Ok what dose this have to do with Islam, your really confused. Cant you tell the difference between someone’s culture and some ones backward culture and someone’s faith."

(Un)fortunately, that sort of thing only happens in Islamic countries. That, public executions in stadiums, repressing a whole society, etc.

"OUR HOME LAND? Your not serous, they been to our homeland and they’ve already influenced it, All these so called “European Values” are not just European. Wake up and smell coffee. Spain belonged to these people, there ideas have already been infused into European thought."

Spain?! The Iberian Peninsula was invaded (like North Africa and Turkey which were once Christian territory), and the resistance against the Muslims began immediately. It is no surprise that the epitomy of the Muslim civilization was achieved in Spain. It is also no surprise that most of the Iberian physicians were in fact Christians and Jews. Islam in Spain was as repressive as anywhere else. Women were taken from their families to be raped in the harems, men from different religions were forced to convert or pay the religious tax (in some cases, they either covnerted or faced the sword)... You only show that you have no idea of what you are talking about. Maybe you should visit Spain (or even Portugal) and you will still be able to feel the deep-rooted disgust that the so called "tolerant" Islam gives us, because we experienced it and we know the truth.

"IF all the stuff that you say is True about Muslim countries then its true about our self’s as well, and a lot of your creditability seems to be on the line her, the fact you talk about comes from anti Islamic groups, such as the Hindotavas (a fascist Indian political group that want to unite India on some sort of Pagan orthodoxy) and Israeli organizations that want to dumb down their own problems with the Palestinians. They’re not real fact, can’t you tell the difference between propaganda and facts? No disrespect intended"

I provided examples of things that were reported by the international media (one thing you can't accuse the BBC is of being "racist" or "anti-islamic"), and of things that are written in the Koran.

"First of all its accommodate not accommodate!"

Errr.... Sure thing, Grammarian. And you do know that there's a difference between "your" and "you're", right ?

"Second of all its pedophilia not paedophylia!"

Thank you for the spelling lesson.

"O really! Yet again your fact seem wildly wrong. I don’t even see the rational behind this statement. Are you on drugs? Or are you on the Opium the American Military is importing from Afghanistan, seeing that opium production in Afghanistan has peaked since the ousting. lol"

Stick to the spelling lessons.

"Come on man, seriously how stupid do you have to be, to make a statement like that, it’s so laughable. Islamic society’s are so conservative. Gang rapes lolol seriously. You insult your self by such statements."

www.vdare.com/fulford/racial_rape.htm

"Third of all its pederasty not pederastry"

You seem to know a lot about this sort of thing.... And in case you haven't figured it out yet, I am speaking a foreign language. If my English is so bad, maybe we could continue this in Portuguese instead?

"Forth of all its Islamic not islamic"

Fourth of all, it is FOURTH (from FOUR), not FORTH. Go find a mirror, Grammarian.

"Correct your Grammar!"

Sure... I guess that you can't come up with nothign better than that.

"O you’re so right, every day It pains me to see my European sister on TV commercialized and corroded."

Turn off the TV. It is a little something called FREEDOM which we prize in Europe.

"It pains me to see my mothers and sisters used as objects on commercials."

Then don't listen to them.

"It pains me not to be able hardy find a real family in Europe."

A Muslim father stabbing his daughter to death is not an example of a model family, IMO.

"It pains me when Russian prostitutes are shipped in to western European countries."

To me too, but it even pains me more when I see that women are objects with little or no rights when they are unlucky to be born in an Islamic country.

"It also really bothers me when people like you who have destroyed the European family"

??

"so that you can get tail from emotionally unstable girls who would other wise never ever give you a second look."

?? Still not comprehending what in the hell you are saying...


Fifth of all its Jordan not Jordania
Sixth of all its outcaste, there’s no such thing as outcasted

"Another mistake Jordan is not the most progressive states; Turkey, Syria, Pakistan, Egypt, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Bosnia, Albania, Tajikistan and Malaysia are considered the more progressive states."

Turkey is not an Islamic state - it has a secular regime. As to Albania? Who do you think that ships the eastern European women to work as prostitutes? That's right! ALBANIAN MUSLIMS!

"And you seem to be mentioning these countries as progressive, when there kings clam to be direct descendents of the Prophet."

THEIR, not THERE. Go learn how to write on your own before trying to teach others, Grammarian.

"Also in these so-called progressive countries as you call them torture is legal."

Yeah, which doesn't quite make them anything special by European standarts. That was my whole point. Islam sucks.

"The king of Jordan wipes out whole families if any one even mentions him in a bad light. Same goes for Morocco. What a joke, the King of Jordan mentions this stuff to divert attention away from his Palestinian problem he has in his own country."

Once again, that sort of thign doesn't happen in Christian countries.

"American rate of husband beating wives exceeds that of Jordan a million times."

LMAO!

"And lets see what jordan has to deal with. Super low unemployment, economic down fall, ultra low literacy rate, no ecnomic resources, an on flood of immigrants from other countries, disenfranchised Palestinians that are in a country that’s not theirs. I would say Jordan is doing good morally for there condition, in fact I would say there doing really well."

No economic resources? What about OIL?

"Woman in western society make less than men."

And in Islamic countries they can't even drive a car or work without their husband's permition!!!!

"And if western society was not doing so well economically they would certainly be worrying about it. This advent of the free women in western society is new. I would think you would know that. But I am giving you to much credit."

Well, I never gave you any, so we're even.

"Seventh of all its should and not shoudl"

My, you are really desperate...

"Its vary much suited for the modern world. And many more people who are smarter than you agree with me who are not Muslim"

It's VERY, not VARY. Moron!

"1) Michael H. Hart of USA who wrote "The 100 most influential persons in history" and placed Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as number one, on the top of the list.
George Bernard Shaw:
"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving the problems in a way that would bring the much needed peace and happiness. Europe is beginning to be enamored of the creed of Muhammad. In the next century it may go further in recognizing the utility of that creed in solving its problems."
(A Collection of writing of some of the eminent scholars, 1935)."

Mohammed... The same guy that married a 6 year old and consumated the marriage when she was 9? The same man that cut off the hands and feet of robbers before killing them? The same man that allowed his soldiers in their holy wars to kill someone just because of their religion and rape their wives? The same man that said that the martirs would get several VIRGINS for their own pleasure (if that isn't turning women into objects, I don't knwo what is!).