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Post by Artemidoros on Mar 5, 2004 16:21:38 GMT -5
Alex,
I don't think it is worth arguing with this guy. He is a troll. I normally stay clear of religious discussions but it is obvious to me he is not who he says he is. No Dane would display such complete ignorance of Europe and the West in general. Even the zeal of a newly converted and brainwashed recruit of an extreme Wahhabitic sect does not excuse that. He is in my opinion (judging from the way he writes as well) a Pakistani illegal immigrant in Europe, with a massive chip on his shoulder. He might not even be in Europe at all. Just let him go measure the length of his pubic hair and make sure it is in accordance with Islam. The rest of us I am sure would rather die of AIDS anytime than live the miserable and hateful life he is experiencing.
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Post by hodgson on Mar 8, 2004 4:41:36 GMT -5
Hindi If any one ever calls you a Muslim I take it as an insult. If decrepit things like you “arian” boy become Muslim I just might die. The smell that emanates from your body would also kill me. And just to let you know the term Arian dose not apply to the people of India. It was never meant to apply to the people of the subcontinent. Just because a couple of tribes came over from Iran dose not mean Indians are white. Lol so just keep posting up those pictures of hazel eyed kids, you’re not fooling any one. and you don’t look Turkish. Lol “Indians look Turkish” lol, im glad your not Muslim you insecure peace of %#@$.
alex
Dear Alex, I believe we got off on the wrong start. When you first respondent to my post, you came across as aggressive, at the time I had been mad and hearing you say what you said, mad my blood pressure go up the chimney. But your continuing insults do not help. As much truth as you would like to put into what so many anti Islamic sites state, there simply not true, Ashia was 19 when she married the prophet, I know they’re are people out there like Jerry Fallwell who say the prophet married at 9 years age. Its really funny how the age changes all the time. None the less, I don’t really see what your point is, I am not trying to be facieses, but really you know full well the Mid East is highly conservative, pleas let try to stick to facts. I don’t want this conversation to become lowbrow subject were me you get into a screaming contest. In all seriousness pleas, if you don’t want to continue this subject in an intellectual arena lets end it right know. I do not have the energy nor the will to argue at such a level of discussion Ill leave the nonsensical ranting to the chat rooms. Thank you and have a good day
Artemidoros Hi artemidotos it seems like I am a paky, see we pakys in paky land do not speak Danish. And we are all crazy people with big chips on our shoulders. In fact there is such a big chip on my shoulder that I feel like saying nonsensical words, basically words that don’t make no sense. Seeing I am a paky from Pakistan, I really wouldn’t know how to speak in Danish so this shouldn’t insult you, seeing I am a paky, so don’t take it in an insulting manner, since you do know I am a paky this shouldn’t bother you because pakys cant talk in Danish, so Jeg river hovedet af dig og skider dig ned i halsen, Du lugter af gammel raadden ost som din mor har haft oppe i røven lol. One other thing, I ovously know nothing about European history, yet you do? MR Shaw Knows nothing about Europe but you do? Mr Napoleon knows nothing about European history yet you do? It seems like you know more about Europe than the intellectuals of Europe, since you happen to be so smart, pleas enlighten me, o smart one? no answer needed, I was being sarcastic.
i am sorry to the other bord members, for dealing with this. hopefully you will foregive me for giving these people the time of day.
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Post by alex221166 on Mar 8, 2004 7:54:20 GMT -5
"Dear Alex, I believe we got off on the wrong start. When you first respondent to my post, you came across as aggressive, at the time I had been mad and hearing you say what you said, mad my blood pressure go up the chimney. But your continuing insults do not help. As much truth as you would like to put into what so many anti Islamic sites state, there simply not true, Ashia was 19 when she married the prophet, I know they’re are people out there like Jerry Fallwell who say the prophet married at 9 years age. Its really funny how the age changes all the time. None the less, I don’t really see what your point is, I am not trying to be facieses, but really you know full well the Mid East is highly conservative, pleas let try to stick to facts. I don’t want this conversation to become lowbrow subject were me you get into a screaming contest. In all seriousness pleas, if you don’t want to continue this subject in an intellectual arena lets end it right know. I do not have the energy nor the will to argue at such a level of discussion Ill leave the nonsensical ranting to the chat rooms. Thank you and have a good day" First of all, here is a page that explains who old were the many wives of the prophet. www.geocities.com/islamic_image/history.html#mohammadHere is the list of Mohammad's wives and their age at the time of their marriage: 1. Khadija of 40 years of age, 2. Sawda of 50 years of age, 3. Aisha of 6 years of age, 4. Hafsa of 22 years of age, 5. Zainab-bint-e-Khuzaima of 30 years of age, 6. Umme Salma of 32 years of age, 7. Zainab-bint-e-Jahash of 36 years of age, 8. Juwairiya of 20 years of age, 9. Umme Habiba of 36 years of age, 10. Safiya of 17 years of age, and 11. Maimumah of 36 years of age.
Second of all, all I said was that Islam is an intolerant religion, and that is not a lie. Presently it is much more intolerant than mainstream Christianity or Judaism. If you can't deal with it, too bad. Third of all, I am fed up of listenign to Muslims say that Islam is somehow "enlightenned" (meaning: you Christians are like cavemen still using candles when we have electricity), how their culture is somehow "superior" to ours, and how our women are "whores" because they don't cover from head to toe. This would all be tolerable, if they kept their intolerance and barbarism to their own countries, but unfortunately, they don't. We have repeatedly witnessed Muslim fathers killing their daughters because they wanted to date a foreigner (aka INTEGRATE), or because they showed some skin. We have also seen cases of modern Muslim teens who were gang-raped in France BY FELLOW MUSLIMS because they "dressed like whores" (sic). Of course, they only dressed like any western teen, but for Muslims all western women are whores, so... Furthermore: I try not to judge the whole, but the individual. What I have seen so far, is that the tolerant Muslims, are in fact those that don't follow that religion that passionately (hell, Mr Musharaf even drinks Scotch Whiskey!). What does this mean? It means that the religion is intolerant, bigoted, racist and imperialist. The recent terrorist attacks in Iraq and in Turkey showed quite clearly that the fellow Muslims that don't follow the religion literally, are not better than the "infidels". Muslims are still living in the Age of the Crusades. Sorry, but they are 400 years too late... So what I am trying to say is that I am sorry for not being Jesus Christ. When I am slapped in the face, I don't give the other cheek. PS: When I defended women's rights, you assumed that I somehow did it to get the women's attention, or something like that. That is plain stupid: I happen to have a mother and two sisters. If you still don't comprehend, don't bother...
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Post by Melnorme on Mar 8, 2004 8:05:13 GMT -5
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Post by Artemidoros on Mar 8, 2004 9:28:35 GMT -5
Artemidoros Hi artemidotos it seems like I am a paky, see we pakys in paky land do not speak Danish. And we are all crazy people with big chips on our shoulders. In fact there is such a big chip on my shoulder that I feel like saying nonsensical words, basically words that don’t make no sense. Seeing I am a paky from Pakistan, I really wouldn’t know how to speak in Danish so this shouldn’t insult you, seeing I am a paky, so don’t take it in an insulting manner, since you do know I am a paky this shouldn’t bother you because pakys cant talk in Danish, so Jeg river hovedet af dig og skider dig ned i halsen, Du lugter af gammel raadden ost som din mor har haft oppe i røven lol. One other thing, I ovously know nothing about European history, yet you do? MR Shaw Knows nothing about Europe but you do? Mr Napoleon knows nothing about European history yet you do? It seems like you know more about Europe than the intellectuals of Europe, since you happen to be so smart, pleas enlighten me, o smart one? no answer needed, I was being sarcastic. Knowing Danish is no proof you are Danish. I speak English but it is not my mother tongue. I can insult people in a number of other languages. BTW you are incapable of insulting me or my mother in any language. Neither is any other Hog's son. I have the highest regard for the Danish people and I know none of them would come up with crap like It just shows your culture is alien to Europe. You can take selective quotes from anyone you like but you will never find Europeans of any magnitude praising the nightmarish version of Islam you propagate. You are free to praise the Taliban and their barbaric executions, it just shows the cultural divide between us, but we don't have to take your crappy comparisons of Europe or the US with your shitholes. You seriously expect us to take your shit about the number of rapes in free societies, where women are encouraged to report rape, with countries where under Islamic law they have to produce 4 eyewitnesses to the act? How many raped women can do that? How many would risk being killed by their own families for dishonouring them? Do we have to take your crap about the racial composition of the former Yugoslavia? Has Islam not done enough harm in the Balkans? Do we have to hear from your ignorant mouth that the few remaining Greek speakers in Turkey, owe their existence to your religion, when they have existed in spite of Islam and not because of it? Reserve your preaching for your ignorant co-religionists and compatriots and leave the West alone. I will make one concession to you. If you are not Pakistani you are a Saudi. BTW the term "paky" is yours not mine but it would describe those who graffiti insults to your prophet in Christian Pakistani villages and then accuse the Christians of blashemy. Something that in Pakistan carries the death penalty.
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Post by Tautalos on Mar 9, 2004 11:49:24 GMT -5
Amazingly how many North African are getting raped by French men I did never hear about that. One way or another, your «whole» argument is based in saying that other people commit rapes as well, in a quite general manner that fails completely in what concerns running away from the main issue: it is an observed trend what I wrote here, and I just add that information to what another participant was saying.
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Post by HINDI on Mar 15, 2004 22:39:12 GMT -5
Islam probably doesn't even preserve the 'human'race..
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Post by citadel on Mar 18, 2004 21:31:13 GMT -5
I would have said Protestantism 30 years ago, but that has changed.
Not that Protestants haven't done their share of mixing, whether it was Calvinist Akrikaners and "Coloureds" or Southern American Baptists and their slaves and maids -but the idea that there was a separate white race, black race, and so on predominated. By contrast in Catholic multiracial societies (Mexico, Brazil), the preferred model was more of a continuum between whites, mixed, and non-whites. It seems the the Catholic church played a role in this.
Even today, in much of America where there are many church going people, there are all-black and all-white churches in the same general denomination. Some of them are now creating nearly all Mestizo ("Hispanic") or Asian co-denominations. I live near a "Korean Baptist Church" which I presume is religiously the same as the mostly white Baptist church in my neighborhood. I don't see this in the Catholic church - even though parishes tend to be drawn along neighborhood lines, and neighborhoods along racial lines.
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Post by galvez on Mar 20, 2004 2:25:44 GMT -5
No one has mentioned Judaism? According to Professor Kevin MacDonald, Judaism has helped instill within Jews a strong sense of group consciousness and the need of group continuity. At the least, if some of the big religions of the world are going to be mentioned, Judaism deserves to be noted as well.
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Post by chairface on Mar 21, 2004 22:39:23 GMT -5
My opinion? Well, I'd say "Southern Baptist." Why? Probably 'cause a majority of the Ku Klux Klan belong to that denomination. Also, the South was the last place to end slavery. And some Christian Fundamentalists believe that dark skin's a curse by Noah to his son Ham. And so forth.
And I'd say that Catholics are more open-minded about diversity compared to Protestants. If you look at the European population, most of those who remained Catholic after the Reformation were predominately a brunet mixed-looking Mediterranean/Alpine type.
I don't like stereotyping, but their just my thoughts.
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Post by VERECVNDVS on Apr 1, 2004 16:39:14 GMT -5
Ill have to agree with Hodgson, those are some good sources, where did you get them from? Islam dose really seem interesting, but a little exotic, still vary interesting, maybe it’s because I don’t know that much about it, none the less. Also on another point, I know Albanians and Bask are one of the purest Europeans. As to which religion perseveres races I would have to say the Middle East is in good condition racially compared to European nations.
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Post by Melnorme on Apr 1, 2004 16:54:49 GMT -5
Ill have to agree with Hodgson, those are some good sources, where did you get them from? Islam dose really seem interesting, but a little exotic, still vary interesting, maybe it’s because I don’t know that much about it, none the less. Also on another point, I know Albanians and Bask are one of the purest Europeans. As to which religion perseveres races I would have to say the Middle East is in good condition racially compared to European nations. Hah, read before you speak. www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v72n4/024771/024771.html
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Post by Igu on Jun 16, 2004 18:29:06 GMT -5
Nowadays, it seems to be a trend in France that young northern African muslims rape young French girls. sorry but those who are victims are not french, but mostly north african girls... without brothers, law of the jungle.
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Post by Sandwich on Jun 16, 2004 20:07:39 GMT -5
Hinduism does a pretty good job, I think - you have to be the right caste or your very presence is in some way a defilement. Some apparently westernised indians in London recently found out that an indian person of lower caste had attended a party they gave. They didn't just get rid of all the plates, they threw out all the carpets and wallpaper. Under such circumstances, prospective mothers-in-law are very picky about potential spouses for their sons. There are of course very high-caste brahmins in the dravidian south as in the north of India, yet I doubt there is much intermarriage. Does anybody know how this works for real? Generally speaking, the more a religion or culture imposes regulations and taboos on bodily functions, diet, menstruation, etc, the more likely it is to be picky about associating with those who have a different set of purity obsessions. This is to some extent breaking down as a new elite in India redefine themselves as part of the global middle class. But then, in doing so, they're distancing themselves from the original idea of hinduism, which has no room for social mobility at all. Christianity, a religion adopted in the west as the mainstay of a hierarchical system of feudal obligations, tended to encourage all sorts of strange marriages among the elite. Kings and Queens, and the upper nobility, married each other, wherever in Europe they were from. It became a rather restricted gene pool, admittedly.
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Post by captainusa1 on Jun 19, 2004 19:40:12 GMT -5
Getting back to the main question, my answer is Shintoism followed by Hinduism. The other religions, especially in the USA, aren't as ethnically homogeneous as they were in the past. There are more interfaith marriages. Also, the vast majority of Americans would think nothing of an Irish Catholic marrying an Italian Catholic or maybe even a German Protestant or Russian Orthodox. There's also an increase in the number of marriages between Hispanics and non-Hispanics. Things aren't as ethnically segregated as they were at the Turn of the Century (1900).
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