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Post by Tautalos on Sept 19, 2005 20:39:30 GMT -5
In many cases, those women are really kidnapped and forced into prostitution.
One way or another, even if they are prostitutes and go for the money, they are certainly NOT responsible for their situations, because they did not want to be enslaved and treated like rubbish. Those who treat them like rubbish, and use the force to maintain them under their yoke, those are totally responsible for their situations.
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Post by Tautalos on Sept 19, 2005 20:42:30 GMT -5
As for eastern Europeans, they have their own mafias, that's right, but they don't have street gangs and they don't usually engage in collective rapes of indigenous women, like the Africans do.
And in the case of Muslim Africans, the despise that they have for the infidel women make them believe that they have the right to do with those women whatever they want. In their opinion, Western women are all sluts.
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Post by dukeofpain on Sept 19, 2005 21:03:07 GMT -5
Responsible for their situation? Wow, Thats an incredibly rotten thing to say. Most of these girls were coerced with lies of "a better life", and weren't prostitutes looking for money, let alone looking to be enslaved. Honestly, that's tantamount to me saying the jews that were murdered by the germans, were responsible for their being in that position.
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Post by Melnorme on Sept 19, 2005 21:08:23 GMT -5
Most of these girls were coerced with lies of "a better life", and weren't prostitutes looking for money Well, you see, I think that's false. A 'better life' in Israel? LOL, don't they watch the news?  I'm a believer in traditional morality, I feel sorry for the downtrodden prostitute to the same degree that I feel sorry for a jailed criminal who gets sodomised in prison. BTW, other than this lack of ethical consistency, I agree with most of what you've said here. |
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Post by yigal on Sept 19, 2005 21:15:18 GMT -5
f*cking natashas go there because they want money,they are sluts, and whores they arent forced into shit, and most of the "russian" jews in the mafia are not ethnically "jewish" that is most of the crime involving russian imigrants is not involving old School Yiddish cultured russian jews, its involving people who are sometimes open antisemites
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Post by Melnorme on Sept 19, 2005 21:22:23 GMT -5
jews in the mafia are not ethnically "jewish" that is most of the crime involving russian imigrants is not involving old School Yiddish cultured russian jews I think that Russians with Jewish ancestry are indeed overrepresented in the Russian Mafia, or at least they were in the 90's. I think, though, that sometimes people confuse them with the Oligarchs, who are almost all Jewish, and thus state that the 'Russian Mafia = Jewish', which is an exaggeration. |
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Post by Scanderbeg on Sept 19, 2005 21:33:48 GMT -5
Isn't Judaism a religion?   |
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Post by dukeofpain on Sept 20, 2005 0:03:36 GMT -5
More russians die in terrorist attacks than Israelis pal. Look at the numbers. They killed 200 children in a single attack. Besides many of these girls aren't prostitutes, many are merely russian "mail-order" brides, that are looking for a better life, many are under the pretense that they're going to Israel to make obscene amounts of money for topless dancing. Regardless even if they were prostitutes, they don't deserve slavery, if you justify your horribly disgusting belief that they deserve it, with "traditional morality", go for it. Personaly I find your "traditional morality" to be utterly repulsive.
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Post by Melnorme on Sept 20, 2005 7:24:18 GMT -5
Hmm, point taken. Don't Chechen attacks happen mainly in Moscow, though? Lots of these girls come from backwater regions, Moldova, etc...
As for them 'deserving it' - that's not really what I meant, I'm just saying that some degree of abuse 'goes with the territory', and isn't worth getting too excited about.
Remember, our initial disagreement was that you implied that this is some kind of 'mass kidnapping' operation, with innocent victims.
That doesn't really make sense ; if thousands of girls were being smuggled out of Eastern Europe against their wills, the governments of Eastern Europe would consider it an urgent matter of national security. AFAIK, they don't, so clearly adult consent is involved here.
If you think about it, it's really not different from the mass illegal Mexican migration across the USA's southern border, though of course on a much smaller scale.
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Post by syriano on Sept 20, 2005 8:31:25 GMT -5
well I said maybe they think that way. I am not saying that the way to do it, nor do I know why they do it. personally, I don't think people would commit such harsh crimes and risk being thrown in jail just for fun... same thing applies with the big picture, the small don't mess with the big just for kicks, there must be a reason... what % do these thugs make out of the total North African pop in France? maybe less than .01%. I don't see how it's fair to say the Muslims this and the muslims that esp when the % is small and the crimes are un-islamic to begin with. The ones who commit crimes should either be thrown in jail, or deported if they're not French. common you know the E. European mafia does more than that. Starting from smuggling drugs & stolen cars, to ilegal activities and businesses, also prostitution not only with adults, but also with preteens. of course don't forget those sickoes who damand this garbage in Western Europe to beging with... (I have seen a documentary on CNN or BBC about this with real footage in Italy) also, I have seen on the news somewhere about some Eastern Euro country (forgot which), where they said millions of Euros are sent from western Europe by people living abroad. less than 1/2 of the amout sent was from legal money.. fianlly, France have problems I don't deny, but it's their own fault for bad mangement. If one is a fanatic type, then don't let them in. very easys. don't let them in then complain my problem in these threads is generalizing on all muslims and middle easterns based on some unislamic actions done by a small group (and spreading wrong info about Islam as facts [not by you]) |
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Post by dukeofpain on Sept 20, 2005 12:49:34 GMT -5
That's impossible, the forigners that migrate to western countries don't wear a sign on their forhead say "I'm a terrorist", or "I hate western civilization, and am only here to cause trouble". Look at that one guy from england that was caught on tape in a bus while attempting to kill british civilians, he was from north africa and hated the west and even had a history of violence, and british still gave him citizenship. The only way to solve problems like this is to generalize, even if it's only a portion of the population.
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Post by syriano on Sept 20, 2005 15:30:38 GMT -5
That's impossible, the forigners that migrate to western countries don't wear a sign on their forhead say "I'm a terrorist", or "I hate western civilization, and am only here to cause trouble". Look at that one guy from england that was caught on tape in a bus while attempting to kill british civilians, he was from north africa and hated the west and even had a history of violence, and british still gave him citizenship. The only way to solve problems like this is to generalize, even if it's only a portion of the population. alot of them you can tell though (like the one in the England case) just some last note, I think if you visit a North African country, you'd be treated very well (maybe even better than in France) |
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Post by dukeofpain on Sept 20, 2005 19:14:11 GMT -5
That's impossible, the foreigners that migrate to western countries don't wear a sign on their forhead say "I'm a terrorist", or "I hate western civilization, and am only here to cause trouble". Look at that one guy from england that was caught on tape in a bus while attempting to kill British civilians, he was from north Africa and hated the west and even had a history of violence, and British still gave him citizenship. The only way to solve problems like this is to generalize, even if it's only a portion of the population. alot of them you can tell though (like the one in the England case) just some last note, I think if you visit a North African country, you'd be treated very well (maybe even better than in France) Possibly, but vacationing in a north African country isn't in line with north Africans in western countries. Saudi Arabia for example. I bet I could go their and I'd be treated decent, as long as I was there to spend money, which is what westerners do in foreign countries, so that in and of itself is motivation for being treated well. However, what if an onslaught of whites migrated en masse to Saudi Arabia, all lined up at the social services office and proceeded milking from the Saudi nation. Not just that, but now imagine, Christian churches popping up everywhere, even mecca and Medina, now picture we whites going out, getting drunk doing drugs, and gang raping 13 year old Muslim girls. Then I wonder how whites would be received in Saudi Arabia? And yet Muslims and other foreign nationals do that exact same thing in our countries. It's maddening, Usama bin Laden would Attack and subsequently kill 3000 Americans for something as trivial as American troops using the Saudi peninsula as a transit site back home after the 1st gulf war, which was initiated by Saddam and to which America came to the rescue. Because of Infidels on the "holy land" of Muhammad. It should also be taken note that Usama was financed by the US in Afghanistan, against the evil Christian soviet infidels, and yet he bit the hand that fed. Classic! America -- a country founded by Christian Europeans, has mosques scattered all across their country side, they have Muslims benefiting from the American nation, at the behest of the people that founded the nation CHRISTIANS. And this popmus ass attacks that country because of them invading the Holy land. I'd say it's the other way around. I wonder how many churches, and Christians to attend the Churches, live in Mecca? Because in Rome their are mosques and Muslims, and our other center of the Christian world Constantinople (Istanbul) is completely inhabited by Muslims! |
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Post by shevchenko on Sept 20, 2005 19:23:42 GMT -5
Christianity in my opinion preserves national and ethnic identity the most!
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Post by syriano on Sept 21, 2005 6:12:00 GMT -5
alot of them you can tell though (like the one in the England case) just some last note, I think if you visit a North African country, you'd be treated very well (maybe even better than in France) Possibly, but vacationing in a north African country isn't in line with north Africans in western countries. Saudi Arabia for example. I bet I could go their and I'd be treated decent, as long as I was there to spend money, which is what westerners do in foreign countries, so that in and of itself is motivation for being treated well. However, what if an onslaught of whites migrated en masse to Saudi Arabia, all lined up at the social services office and proceeded milking from the Saudi nation. Not just that, but now imagine, Christian churches popping up everywhere, even mecca and Medina, now picture we whites going out, getting drunk doing drugs, and gang raping 13 year old Muslim girls. Then I wonder how whites would be received in Saudi Arabia? And yet Muslims and other foreign nationals do that exact same thing in our countries. It's maddening, Usama bin Laden would Attack and subsequently kill 3000 Americans for something as trivial as American troops using the Saudi peninsula as a transit site back home after the 1st gulf war, which was initiated by Saddam and to which America came to the rescue. Because of Infidels on the "holy land" of Muhammad. It should also be taken note that Usama was financed by the US in Afghanistan, against the evil Christian soviet infidels, and yet he bit the hand that fed. Classic! America -- a country founded by Christian Europeans, has mosques scattered all across their country side, they have Muslims benefiting from the American nation, at the behest of the people that founded the nation CHRISTIANS. And this popmus ass attacks that country because of them invading the Holy land. I'd say it's the other way around. I wonder how many churches, and Christians to attend the Churches, live in Mecca? Because in Rome their are mosques and Muslims, and our other center of the Christian world Constantinople (Istanbul) is completely inhabited by Muslims! in saudi Arabia it's different for many reasons. First it's very strict, second most poeple in Saudi Arabia (including muslims from non-gulf countries) are there for work only. You'll never be givien citizenship there. They just want you to work and then leave. there are however alot of special zones for those western people where I hear (don't take my word for it though) things like alcohol and such are allowed [they keep it quite though]. on the other hand, go to a country like UAE, and you'd see western people treated second best after the locals (emaratians). Same for the other Arab countries. in the west, immigration is mostly a non temp thing. Alot of those trouble causers can already have citizenships, which gives them rights in that country similar to the natives... Again I agree with you on the concerns about Immigrants (from all over) behaving badly, but that's in your hands in selecting them (for the most part). Also, it has to be mentioned that immigration has to come with negative sides as well (it's expected). Somebody has to do the dirty jobs, and life sure wont be so rosey for them... finally, I have to correct you again that raping 13 yr old girls are not Islamic crimes. If a person rapes a 13 yr old in Saudi (even if she was French), they would get death sentence.. the only Islamic conflict I can think of in France, is the head scarf thing. As I said before, it's more complex because these people have the French citizenships, while say the westerners in Saudi have to wear the black thing because they are there just temp with work visas.. |
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