Scoob
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Post by Scoob on Mar 22, 2004 21:12:20 GMT -5
This "most maligned" thing is all about proximity.
Many Irish hate the English. Many Greeks hate the Turks - so do Bulgarians. Etc. Japanese hate the Koreans.
So "most maligned" depends on context.
Many of these maligned groups also get "star status." Germans are Nazis, but they also make great cars and have hot blond women with big tits. Sicilians might be borderline darkies, but they have mafia chic. And so on. So it's maybe better to have a bad reputation than no reputation.
As for who has trouble fitting in, it depends on the context. And also consider that actions and words are two things.
I think with the waves of immigrants in both Europe and the USA, interethnic Euro conflicts have taken a back seat.
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Post by alex221166 on Mar 22, 2004 22:00:18 GMT -5
This "most maligned" thing is all about proximity. Many Irish hate the English. Many Greeks hate the Turks - so do Bulgarians. Etc. Japanese hate the Koreans. So "most maligned" depends on context. Many of these maligned groups also get "star status." Germans are Nazis, but they also make great cars and have hot blond women with big tits. Sicilians might be borderline darkies, but they have mafia chic. And so on. So it's maybe better to have a bad reputation than no reputation. As for who has trouble fitting in, it depends on the context. And also consider that actions and words are two things. I think with the waves of immigrants in both Europe and the USA, interethnic Euro conflicts have taken a back seat. I disagree, though I understand what you are saying. I think you are confusing rivalries with real badmouthing. Example: In Portugal there is a lot of suspicion with Spain. Winning a football match against Spain or against a Spanish team has a special value to it, but on the other hand they are the people in Europe we identify the most with. After the recent Madrid bombings, the Portuguese prime minister declared a day of national mourning to honour the victims from across the border... So there are rivalries and even some petty badmouthing, but it is nothing serious. The real badmouthing comes when a people envies something that the other people has ex. - Nazi Germany considering itself the heir to the ancient Greek culture, because the Greeks had lost their "Nordic vigour" - England badmouthing Portugal from the XVII to the early XX century, to grab our colonies (who do you think started the rumour that the Portuguese are mullatos?) - French farmers invading and trashing McDonald's (less foreign products, less competition) - American propaganda badmouthing France (hurrah for American pate and for the California wine!) There is nothing "petty" in this sort of thing. It's all about economic or cultural interests. There is nothing easier than directioning a mob... |
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Post by AWAR on Mar 22, 2004 23:05:16 GMT -5
Serbs are really satanized by the western media.
That's some reputation that isn't good in any form.
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Post by murphee on Mar 24, 2004 0:28:44 GMT -5
Maligned European nations:
Romania
Serbia
Poland
Northern Ireland
Germany
Russia
France
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Post by alex221166 on Mar 24, 2004 7:03:38 GMT -5
"Maligned European nations: Romania"  ? Because of the Gypsies? "Serbia" That Kosovo war was a circus, but that is changing with the "War on Terrorism". The "evil" Serbs were actually fighting with the Al-Qaeda sponsored UÇK, and most Albanians confessed that they started fleeing thanks to the NATO bombings. "Poland" Poland?! I think most people don't even have an opinion about the Poles... "Northern Ireland" I think most people have a bad impression of the territory, but not of the people. "Germany" Most people have an excellent impression of the Germans. "Russia" "France" Only in America  . In Europe they are respected. |
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Post by Graeme on Mar 24, 2004 10:36:06 GMT -5
Most people haven't heard of Serbia before. That man who supposedly started WW1 was from Bosnia anyway, was he not. As far as I am concerned I am not anti slav, east, west or south-east. I admit I do not care for rarog or whatever reincarnation he chooses to be. I do not believe he is Russian anyway, just some stirrer or ratbag (Aussie for troll). There are no pure races or sub races. I call myself a Med because that is where my roots are. I am actually Alpinid-Med-Keltic and very UP. I am very large boned, big hands, feet, chest etc, but thankfully I look a lot better than Borrebies or Brunns. I will still have a go at those who want to run down Sicilians. Sicily is one of my favorite places and has no traces of the Aghlabids, but lots of Norman and Greek. Think of Siracusa. And all that BS about mulattos or orientalids is just that, BS.
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Post by murphee on Mar 24, 2004 19:56:13 GMT -5
alex, I'll explain my choices. I was going to originally, but I was lazy ;D DISCLAIMER--Ensuing comments do NOT reflect my personal beliefs. They're views I've seen expressed by people and/or the media in the United States. Romania- Orphanages filled with mistreated and neglected children Serbia- Aggressive warrior nation Poland- Target of endless jokes. Citizens unfairly accused of being stupid Northern Ireland- Catholics and Protestants at each other's throats. They get along fine here Germany- Hitler Russia- Giant unruly nation in which the common people have always gotten the short end of the stick, whether ruled by monarchs, Communist bureaucrats or organized crime France- Nation of fashionistas and culinary snobs |
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Post by Silveira on Mar 28, 2004 3:11:35 GMT -5
In WN circles Portugal is perhaps the most maligned nation in Europe for well known reasons. In the real world Albanians have a very bad reputation because of the Albanian mafia. Certain Eastern European countries such as Romania, Moldova, and the Ukraine are not too popular in Western Europe because of the state many of these countries are in as well as immigration, marginality and organized crime.
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Post by caucasoid on Mar 28, 2004 9:16:49 GMT -5
In the real world, not in anthropologic boards, I’d have to say Serbians are one of the most maligned of all Europeans. I agree. Most people had never heard of the Serbs, until Clinton wanted to attack them. Then all we got about them, is anti-Serb lies. |
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Post by RebelSoul on Mar 30, 2004 6:06:54 GMT -5
Well, the Greeks should be the people with the longest history of malignazation. It started off with the Romans, who stated in the 2nd century BC that the Greeks they encounter (those that lost their city-states and kingdoms to the Romans) are a mere shadow of the Greeks of the classical world.
Later in Roman times Greeks becomes more of a badmouthing characterization than anything else - something that skyrockets in Christian times when Greek=Pagan, as the contrary to everything Christian.
Even later, in Byzantine times, the term Greek is not used derigatory, but still the (Greek!) inhabitants of the Eastern Roman Empire rather call themselves "Roman". In that content, only the Greeks question their Greeknes.
During the development of the Byzantine Empire (especially after its complete hellenization in the 9th century) in the West (western kingdoms competing for the title of "heir to Rome" with the Byzantines) Greek becomes a word for the treacherous, venomous, without honor, backstabbing. Nobody questions the Greeknes of the Greeks.
During the Ottoman rule, the Greeks were known as without honor and backstabing slaves. Still, though, nobody questions the Greekness of the Greeks, despite the heavy slavic and turkic migration waves of the previous centuries.
Later on, cowardice and malintent add to the characterization - it's not a joke that Napoleon was badmouthing the less brave and most treacherous of his opponents by calling them "goddamn Greeks". Still, , nobody questions the Greekness of the Greeks.
When the Greeks got rid of the Turks, a new cycle of badmouthing occured, when the European wanderers came into Greece and didn't found Aristotle and Alexander but instead some demi-primitive stinking shepherds and hunters. The awakening of Nationalism has brought forth the first recorded attempts to deny the Greeks of their Greeknes.
In the past 150 years, we have been called Slavs, Turks, primitives, and the badmouthing continues to our days with a host of characterizations, in an effort to de-Greek the Greeks.
So, I think overall we are the most maligned nation - in Europe, at least.
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Post by Artemidoros on Mar 30, 2004 18:23:19 GMT -5
In the past 150 years, we have been called Slavs, Turks, primitives, and the badmouthing continues to our days with a host of characterizations, in an effort to de-Greek the Greeks. What do you get if you cross a Slav and a Turk? I have always thought Yeltsin looks very Greek ;D  |
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Post by alex221166 on Mar 30, 2004 20:03:44 GMT -5
What do you get if you cross a Slav and a Turk? I have always thought Yeltsin looks very Greek ;D Yeltsin? He is CORDED TO THE CORE [insert private joke] ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  |
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Post by AWAR on Mar 30, 2004 20:16:28 GMT -5
Hello! -AWAR<-------------- Slavic and pissed off.  |
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Post by Artemidoros on Mar 31, 2004 5:51:36 GMT -5
Hello! -AWAR<-------------- Slavic and pissed off. You are just jealous, cause I look like Yeltsin and you don't  |
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Post by Silveira on Mar 31, 2004 6:58:57 GMT -5
NO! Any so-called Russian who isn´t blond-haired and blue-eyed and willing to be a mail-order bride for American White supremacists is not an ethnic Russian. Only those who are born corded to the core can be considered true Russians!
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? Because of the Gypsies?
. In Europe they are respected.
