|
Post by Hairless on Nov 19, 2005 22:25:08 GMT -5
Depends on why we are classifying. If it is to classify based on features for some (pseudo-)scientific purpose, then of course we should base it on measurable features. Otherwise, I'd leave it to each person to say what he or she is. Personally, I tend to put "Other", unles it is for a specific thing like employment, where I feel that would be misleading (and even then I'd prefer to leave it blank).
|
|
|
Post by MC anunnaki on Nov 20, 2005 2:33:43 GMT -5
You sound like an American One-dropist. What in my post gave you that impression? That it is harder to be classified as white if you're of recent mixed blood? Well, it is. It's the hardest thing. I'm well aware that there are Eurasians who look very European, but most of them don't. I've seen very few half-half Eurasians who look more white than Asian. I'm not saying they look completely Asian, they don't, but they look more Asian than they look white. One example is my Swedish friend's half-Chinese son. In Hong Kong he stands out a little. He pretty much looks like an Asian but with brown hair and fairer skin. He has a low rooted nosebridge and epicanthic folds. In Sweden he stands out a lot. He doesn't look very Caucasoid. Hell, my daughter is full Caucasoid and I think she stands out a bit here. It's the same with the mulatto kids I see who have one Swedish parent. They're an intermediate between their parents, but they do lean more to looking like the black parent. I don't believe in the one-drop rule. People who are 1/4 Asian but look completely white are not people I'm going to classify as Eurasian. To me, they're white for the most obvious reason - they look white. 1/4 Asian generally have almost a full Caucasoid face, devoid of the low rooted nosebridge and the epicanthic folds. It's much more difficult for part-black people to be classified as white. That doesn't mean I consider them black. I don't, I consider everyone who's mixed to be precisly that. Keanu Reeves is a good example of what i'm talking about, before I found out that he's part white, chinese, and hawaiian I thought he was either hispanic or Italian or Greek or something like that. He doesn't look typically Asian, but you can clearly see he's mixed. East asian genes are a little more evenly matched with caucasoid genes, so I think theres about a 50/50 chance that Eurasians will either look more Asian or more white. That is not my experience with the Eurasians in Sweden. They almost always look more Asian than European. The most Euro-looking Eurasians I've seen have been American celebrities. I'm not saying it's not possible, of course it is, I just haven't seen any personally. I've also noticed that a lot of Eurasians don't look quite Asian or white, when I was at another forum there were some Eurasians complaining about how they're always mistaken for being hispanic. No mixed person looks completely like one parent. Most of them tend to lean towards looking more like one parent than the other though, more often the non-white parent.
|
|
|
Post by gelaye on Nov 20, 2005 13:17:30 GMT -5
in my experience most japanese/europeans turn out looking way more europid.
also Ethiopians must have the weakest phenotype in the WORLD as almost every half ethiopian i know looks completley like their other race
|
|
|
Post by eufrenio on Nov 20, 2005 13:51:41 GMT -5
I respect people and ask what they prefer to be classified as. I don't go by that "How they Look" crap b/c my perception is different than another person's perception. I agree with Gelaye about "black" classifications. IMO Caucasoid traits are more obvious in bi-racial people with their loose silky curls, light skin, and finer features. Like he said, they look obvoiusly caucasoid when around Bantu or SSA. I think people are conditioned to see any trace of "black" as Black when it wasn't 200yrs ago. Before slavery, the majority of mulattoids would probably be North African/Middle Eastern/Souther Euro even tho many on dodona want to argue this fact. Before slavery there weren't many pure blue/green-eyed, straight-haired, caucasoid featured people with pink skin runing around in Nigeria unless they were from NOrth Africa or Ethiopia/Egypt. When were the times "before slavery"? Slavery has always existed and arguably still exists today.
|
|
|
Post by aroundtheworld on Nov 20, 2005 13:57:21 GMT -5
I respect people and ask what they prefer to be classified as. I don't go by that "How they Look" crap b/c my perception is different than another person's perception. I agree with Gelaye about "black" classifications. IMO Caucasoid traits are more obvious in bi-racial people with their loose silky curls, light skin, and finer features. Like he said, they look obvoiusly caucasoid when around Bantu or SSA. I think people are conditioned to see any trace of "black" as Black when it wasn't 200yrs ago. Before slavery, the majority of mulattoids would probably be North African/Middle Eastern/Souther Euro even tho many on dodona want to argue this fact. Before slavery there weren't many pure blue/green-eyed, straight-haired, caucasoid featured people with pink skin runing around in Nigeria unless they were from NOrth Africa or Ethiopia/Egypt. When were the times "before slavery"? Slavery has always existed and arguably still exists today. I was referring to the peak of slavery in the USA after 1700 and prior to 1900-the 200yr timespan where it was booming.
|
|
brazen
Junior Member
Posts: 52
|
Post by brazen on Nov 20, 2005 14:41:22 GMT -5
You sound like an American One-dropist. What in my post gave you that impression? That it is harder to be classified as white if you're of recent mixed blood? Well, it is. It's the hardest thing. I'm well aware that there are Eurasians who look very European, but most of them don't. I've seen very few half-half Eurasians who look more white than Asian. I'm not saying they look completely Asian, they don't, but they look more Asian than they look white. One example is my Swedish friend's half-Chinese son. In Hong Kong he stands out a little. He pretty much looks like an Asian but with brown hair and fairer skin. He has a low rooted nosebridge and epicanthic folds. In Sweden he stands out a lot. He doesn't look very Caucasoid. Hell, my daughter is full Caucasoid and I think she stands out a bit here. It's the same with the mulatto kids I see who have one Swedish parent. They're an intermediate between their parents, but they do lean more to looking like the black parent. I don't believe in the one-drop rule. People who are 1/4 Asian but look completely white are not people I'm going to classify as Eurasian. To me, they're white for the most obvious reason - they look white. 1/4 Asian generally have almost a full Caucasoid face, devoid of the low rooted nosebridge and the epicanthic folds. It's much more difficult for part-black people to be classified as white. That doesn't mean I consider them black. I don't, I consider everyone who's mixed to be precisly that. He doesn't look typically Asian, but you can clearly see he's mixed. That is not my experience with the Eurasians in Sweden. They almost always look more Asian than European. The most Euro-looking Eurasians I've seen have been American celebrities. I'm not saying it's not possible, of course it is, I just haven't seen any personally. I've also noticed that a lot of Eurasians don't look quite Asian or white, when I was at another forum there were some Eurasians complaining about how they're always mistaken for being hispanic. No mixed person looks completely like one parent. Most of them tend to lean towards looking more like one parent than the other though, more often the non-white parent. I don't doubt that your friend's son looks more asian than white, a lot of Eurasians do, but theres a lot that don't either. No offense but I'm pretty confident that i've seen more Eurasians than you have considering that the Asian population in the U.S. is about 11 million according to the 2000 census, which is more than the entire population of your country, which is just under 9 million. And with about 50% of asian women being interacially married as well as 15% of Asian men, there are plenty of Eurasians around, I've seen enough of them to know that they're looks vary from predominantly asian looking to predominantly white looking to predominantly mixed looking. Now this I agree with 100%, It's totally different with blacks. 99% of Mulattos do look more black than white, but with Eurasians it's more like 50/50 because I don't think Asian genes are near as dominant as black genes. Keanu Reeves is one of those Eurasians who doesn't really look white or asian. However I do think he is slightly more caucasoid looking than Asian. Like i said at first I thought he was either hispanic or southern european, but I would have never guessed he is part asian. Mulattos nearly always closer resemble the black parent, while some Eurasians closer resemble the Asian parent and others closer resemble the white parent, and yet others don't really look white or asian at all. But I agree no mixed person looks completely like one parent. Heres some websites with pictures of Eurasians, as well as a few blasians(black/asian) and hispasians(hispanic/asian) www.hapas.com/faces.phpwww.halfkorean.com/halfkor.htm
|
|
|
Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 20, 2005 14:51:35 GMT -5
My cousin who is also Italian like me is married to a woman who's half Hawaiin and half German and she looks typically EuroAsian but their son looks completely White since he's only a quarter Mongoloid and predominantly Caucasoid.I wouldn't be surprised if over 90% of 1/4 Asians look Caucasian.I bet very few people who are only 1/4 still show Asian features.
|
|
brazen
Junior Member
Posts: 52
|
Post by brazen on Nov 20, 2005 14:56:56 GMT -5
My cousin who is also Italian like me is married to a woman who's half Hawaiin and half German and she looks typically EuroAsian but their son looks completely White since he's only a quarter Mongoloid and predominantly Caucasoid.I wouldn't be surprised if over 90% of 1/4 Asians look Caucasian.I bet very few people who are only 1/4 still show Asian features. True, people who are 3/4 caucasian and 1/4 asian probably do almost always look fully caucasian. I know a guy who is 3/4 white and 1/4 Native American and he looks completely caucasian.
|
|
|
Post by huzar on Nov 20, 2005 15:23:42 GMT -5
I agree with you. I have the same impression.
This is the real point we must remember : Mongolid genes aren't as dominant and persistent as Negrid ones.
Exactly. Reeves is the example i had in mind.
|
|
|
Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 20, 2005 16:41:10 GMT -5
There's a female poster on Vanguard who sais she's half White and half East Indian and she looks very White if her avatar pic is really her and its amazing because she said her East Indian parent is not the lightskin Bollywood type but of the average darkskin common everyday East Indian.
|
|
|
Post by Hairless on Nov 20, 2005 17:04:48 GMT -5
As far as mulattos looking more dramatic than Eurasians, I think that is due to "color percepetion". Asians are typically fairer, so of course they would stand out less than negroids. If you go somewhere where a sizable percentage of the population is mixed race (and often Eurasian, as in Hawaii) and you become more used to seeing Eurasian mixes, you'll see that the "white looking" hapas are a minority, just as the white looking negroids are. In my immediate family there are a number of half-whites and half-Asians and none of them look primarily Caucasian. And in society at large people talk about their race a lot here, so I am pretty sure there are not a lot of white-looking Asians sneaking around.
|
|
|
Post by huzar on Nov 20, 2005 17:18:47 GMT -5
I have seen personally some eurasians where i live. My personal and final impression was that they are in the mean a good intermediate between the two. I suspect the "strength" of Mongolid and Caucasian genes being almost the same.
|
|
|
Post by Hairless on Nov 20, 2005 18:17:01 GMT -5
I have seen personally some eurasians where i live. My personal and final impression was that they are in the mean a good intermediate between the two. I suspect the "strength" of Mongolid and Caucasian genes being almost the same. This sounds right to me, too.
|
|
|
Post by nockwasright on Nov 21, 2005 2:11:07 GMT -5
I don't know if this has already being said here, but as we all live in western countries it seems likely that mixed people will look less western and more mongoloid or SSA just because they are the different ones. Likely the same Eurasian who looks more Asian than Euro to us will be considered more European than Asian looking in China, just because the different traits are the ones that will be noticed more, being different.
|
|
|
Post by huzar on Nov 21, 2005 4:33:49 GMT -5
I don't know if this has already being said here, but as we all live in western countries it seems likely that mixed people will look less western and more mongoloid or SSA just because they are the different ones. Likely the same Eurasian who looks more Asian than Euro to us will be considered more European than Asian looking in China, just because the different traits are the ones that will be noticed more, being different. My same thoughts. Our perception is often, much more subjective than we could suspect.
|
|