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Post by gelaye on Nov 19, 2005 14:44:55 GMT -5
me being one of them what are your views on how mixed race people should be racially classified..........are they just 'biracial' or do you classify them according to which race they lean towards looking the most (eg halle berry is classed as black by many - or african american, although she is half white and was brought up by her anglo-saxon mother while many mixed race people 'escape' :S looking african and people call them white or mediteranean. the same is true for people like myself, who are biracial but have turned out looking like another completely unrelated race to what their actual admixture is (my case East Asian - from Nordic Aethiopid mix)...............
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Post by MC anunnaki on Nov 19, 2005 14:55:51 GMT -5
Well, if we are to be correct, mixed-raced people should be classified as their respective races if they're half-half, but generally, people will classify them according to their looks. So, like you wrote, Halle Berry will be considered "black" and someone who's say Eurasian but looks more East Asian will be classified as East Asian. It's not correct, but it's easier since we tend to go after looks first and foremost.
Also, since Caucasoids seem to have the most recessive looks, being classified as white if you're mixed race will be pretty hard, unless your non-Caucasoid admixture is rather old or in itself mixed to begin with.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 19, 2005 14:56:45 GMT -5
What's your definition of mixed race for anyways,for example would you call somebody who's only 1/32 Black a Mulatto even though somebody which such small African ancestry would show no visible Negro traits and what about somebody who's 1/32 East Asian would you call than person Euroasian even though that person will also likely not show any visible East Asian traits.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Nov 19, 2005 14:58:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't call someone with such little admixture mixed race. Mixed race to me is quite recent admixture which shows in a person's phenotype. I lean to not calling even those who are 1/4 something mixed-race unless it's very visible in their phenotype.
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Post by gelaye on Nov 19, 2005 15:43:03 GMT -5
yeah me too - i have a 1/4 chinese freind who doesnt look chinese AT ALL apart from having black hair and a tiny bit of an epicathus - otherwise he looks like he is a german/italian mixture
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 19, 2005 16:11:48 GMT -5
Kate Beckinsale is 1/4 Asian and her phenotype is still well within the European range.
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Post by asdf on Nov 19, 2005 16:20:04 GMT -5
1/8.
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Post by huzar on Nov 19, 2005 16:48:31 GMT -5
Also, since Caucasoids seem to have the most recessive looks, being classified as white if you're mixed race will be pretty hard, unless your non-Caucasoid admixture is rather old or in itself mixed to begin with. Well, caucasid genes aren't so recessive afterall. Many mulattos white/black = 50-50% share a rather light skin, and facial traits notably different from pure blacks. In some cases, caucasid facial traits are more dominant
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Post by gelaye on Nov 19, 2005 16:58:19 GMT -5
it only seems like caucasian genes are recessive because we see mixed race people in a europid environment. when in africa they look very europid in comparison to their pure sudanid stock counterparts. same with half orientals. however this isnt generalised, there are exceptions (usually when someone of half SSA and Europid gets the Europid hair structure gene, then they can look very europid but still show negroid traits - eg. Rosario Dawson from Sin City - example of african/europid harmony in bone structure with european hair form)
anyone got any pics of rosario dawson?
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 19, 2005 17:01:26 GMT -5
Look at the actress who plays the mom in Growing Pains,she has a very Nordic look and she's half Mexican supposedly and if her Mexican side looks like the average Mexican that you see crossing the border than its amazing how she came out so Northern Euro looking depsite having a Mexican parent that has typical Chicano features.Now if her Mexican parent resembles more the Mexicans that you see in the soap operas than its not so surprising that she came out looking the way she did.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Nov 19, 2005 17:08:37 GMT -5
I respect people and ask what they prefer to be classified as. I don't go by that "How they Look" crap b/c my perception is different than another person's perception. I agree with Gelaye about "black" classifications. IMO Caucasoid traits are more obvious in bi-racial people with their loose silky curls, light skin, and finer features. Like he said, they look obvoiusly caucasoid when around Bantu or SSA.
I think people are conditioned to see any trace of "black" as Black when it wasn't 200yrs ago. Before slavery, the majority of mulattoids would probably be North African/Middle Eastern/Souther Euro even tho many on dodona want to argue this fact.
Before slavery there weren't many pure blue/green-eyed, straight-haired, caucasoid featured people with pink skin runing around in Nigeria unless they were from NOrth Africa or Ethiopia/Egypt.
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Post by Batrus on Nov 19, 2005 19:07:24 GMT -5
I think they should just be classified as mixed. Not that it matters much, though.
I would depend on what do you use to meisure race: phenotypes or genotypes.
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Post by brazen on Nov 19, 2005 21:46:15 GMT -5
I think a mixed person should be classified as mixed, or rather by the appropriate term for their mix. White/asian mixes should be called Eurasian or hapa whichever they prefer, black/white mixes should be called mullatos, or biracial or whatever they prefer.
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Post by brazen on Nov 19, 2005 22:04:25 GMT -5
Well, if we are to be correct, mixed-raced people should be classified as their respective races if they're half-half, but generally, people will classify them according to their looks. So, like you wrote, Halle Berry will be considered "black" and someone who's say Eurasian but looks more East Asian will be classified as East Asian. It's not correct, but it's easier since we tend to go after looks first and foremost. Also, since Caucasoids seem to have the most recessive looks, being classified as white if you're mixed race will be pretty hard, unless your non-Caucasoid admixture is rather old or in itself mixed to begin with. You sound like an American One-dropist. Anyways, yes certain Caucasoid genes are recessive however other caucasoid features are not. For example, i've seen a lot of Eurasians who have jet black hair and dark eyes like many Asians do but their facial features(eyes, cheekbones, nose, etc.) look dominantly caucasoid, and as far as height they are about a foot taller than the average east asian. Keanu Reeves is a good example of what i'm talking about, before I found out that he's part white, chinese, and hawaiian I thought he was either hispanic or Italian or Greek or something like that. East asian genes are a little more evenly matched with caucasoid genes, so I think theres about a 50/50 chance that Eurasians will either look more Asian or more white. I've also noticed that a lot of Eurasians don't look quite Asian or white, when I was at another forum there were some Eurasians complaining about how they're always mistaken for being hispanic.
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Post by brazen on Nov 19, 2005 22:15:59 GMT -5
Look at the actress who plays the mom in Growing Pains,she has a very Nordic look and she's half Mexican supposedly and if her Mexican side looks like the average Mexican that you see crossing the border than its amazing how she came out so Northern Euro looking depsite having a Mexican parent that has typical Chicano features.Now if her Mexican parent resembles more the Mexicans that you see in the soap operas than its not so surprising that she came out looking the way she did. Doesn't supprise me one bit that she would look more Nordic than Mexican. Because dispite how dark some Mexicans may be a lot of them are already 50% white at least and some even more because they are Mestizos(white/indian mixed). So if they marry a white-American then their kids will actually be probably about 75-80% European in pheno-type so therefore it should be no supprise if they have blonde hair and blue eyes. It only takes two blonde hair/blue eyed genes to make a blonde haired/blue eyed kid, and even though there may not be very many blonde haired/blue eyed Mexicans most Mexicans do carry the genes for blonde hair and blue eyes because most them have a significant amount of European blood.
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