aeon
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Post by aeon on Sept 1, 2005 7:43:13 GMT -5
Blacks were rare in Europe for 2,500 years, still I can not remember any rush among Europeans to marry them. Your theory does not hold water. How many blacks where in Northern Europe 2500 years ago and how do you know that they didn't breed with Northern Euros? I'd be surprised if you remembered what happened 2500 years ago. AFAIK, black slaves existed in southern Europe during the Roman Empire, but I've never heard of blacks making it as far as present-day Germany or Sweden. If you have any sources, then do share them. There were hardly any blacks in Germany or Sweden in antiquity, but there were some in Greece and Rome, and in accordance with your theory, they were to be sought very much for marriage. But that is not the case.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 1, 2005 7:46:07 GMT -5
There were hardly any blacks in Germany or Sweden in antiquity, but there were some in Greece and Rome, and in accordance with your theory, they were to be sought very much for marriage. But that is not the case. Slaves where never sought for in marriage. Neither were the white slaves, but I could be mistaken. Anyway, when Sweden first got their black immigrants they were sought after and they seem to be today as well, since so many white Swedish females date black men. The only black men with black women I see are Somalis who're Muslim and seem to prefer Muslim women. Now, I would really like it if you could provide some SOURCES to your statements, that way I could read up on this further on my own.
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Post by aeon on Sept 1, 2005 7:50:43 GMT -5
Anyway, do you have some info on blacks in Northern Europe in pre-Christian times? And I'm still eager to know what makes you think most Arabs were gay/bisexual. Do you think it's the same in modern times and do you consider it a genetic "trait" or a result of culture/religion/something else? Does this only apply to Arab men? I don't know the frequency of homosexuality in men and women, if it's the almost the same or not. Have you read some historical texts or something of the like that has given this indication? Perhaps you could link to some? I know that the theme of homosexual love is widespread in medieval Arab literature and is not perceived as something forbidden. I do not have any links at hand.
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Post by aeon on Sept 1, 2005 7:56:11 GMT -5
There were hardly any blacks in Germany or Sweden in antiquity, but there were some in Greece and Rome, and in accordance with your theory, they were to be sought very much for marriage. But that is not the case. Slaves where never sought for in marriage. Neither were the white slaves, but I could be mistaken. Harems of Arab rulers were packed with white slave women, who very often gave birth to heirs to the throne. I have seen contemporary pictures of rulers of Muslim Spain who were all red-haired and blue-eyed. Anyway, when Sweden first got their black immigrants they were sought after and they seem to be today as well, since so many white Swedish females date black men. The only black men with black women I see are Somalis who're Muslim and seem to prefer Muslim women. Before the 1960s, no Swedish male or female would marry a black. Now, I would really like it if you could provide some SOURCES to your statements, that way I could read up on this further on my own. I'm sorry, I don't have a list of sources for you.
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Post by Melnorme on Sept 1, 2005 8:29:54 GMT -5
Aeon : The "white" Arab slave girls were usually from the Caucasus - "whiteness" is relative. Ditto with Turks and Southern Slavs.
In any case, my opinion is that the fact that people may prefer the fairer elements within their local 'phenotypic continuum', does not necessarily mean that a preference for "Nordics" exists.
Did Caracalla really want to look like a Viking or merely a blonde Italian? etc.
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Post by Educate Me on Sept 1, 2005 10:07:02 GMT -5
could someone post pictures of caucasians, east asians, and blacks (males, the anime girls all look the same) from anime cartoons?
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 1, 2005 10:07:53 GMT -5
I know that the theme of homosexual love is widespread in medieval Arab literature and is not perceived as something forbidden. I do not have any links at hand. And from that you make the conclusion that most Arabs were gay or bisexual? I must say, I find it odd. Today homosexuality is widely accepted in the West but few would say most Westerners are gay... Harems of Arab rulers were packed with white slave women, who very often gave birth to heirs to the throne. I have seen contemporary pictures of rulers of Muslim Spain who were all red-haired and blue-eyed. I'm sure there were. That doesn't mean they prefer Nordic women to any other women. Their harems were probably filled with every beautiful woman they could buy. Being fair isn't exactly uncommon or unheard of in the Middle East. Many of these white women could very well have been fair Middle Eastern women. You make it sound as if every desirable woman in the Middle East back then was of Nordic origin. Having blue-eyes in the Middle East doesn't necessarily mean you have white Northern European ancestors. Was it common for slave women who were not the wifes of these Arab rulers to have their sons made heirs? Arabs were mostly Muslim and they don't exactly look kindly upon producing children outside of wedlock. Before the 1960s, no Swedish male or female would marry a black. Sure, because of racist views held by most of Europe and because there were hardly any blacks here. My friend's mother (now in her late 50s) remembered seeing a black person "live" for the first time sometime in the 1950s. He was a sailor who's ship had passed Stockholm and when he took a walk around town people couldn't stop staring. For many, that was the first time they saw a black person (except in books). I'm sorry, I don't have a list of sources for you. It could come in handy seeing how you make some bold claims which the rest of us would like to check out, but okay, many times we hear or see stuff without noticing or remembering the source, I do that too sometimes.
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Post by nockwasright on Sept 1, 2005 10:09:13 GMT -5
Caracalla was an Emperor of the Severi dynasty. They should be Italian (Rome had many non Roman/Italian emperors) but as both the father and the mather of Caracalla were Romans born in Northern Africa, something may have slipped in Caracalla veins, here's the images of Severus (C. father) and Caracalla (right). I think Caracalla is quite ME looking. His fancy for blondism however can be dismissed as one of his many eccentricities. aeon: if blondes men were sought by Arab gay men, this would confirm that blondness is a trait liked by men in what they like to mate with (women, men, albino goats etc.) not the other way round. human2: yes, 3 5 and 7 look like real anime. I've never been to Japan; I see many tourists but they are not young enough to resemble anime, and seem to resent being stared at. As for the story requiring a charachter to be Euro, I somewhat remember that often this wasn't important, a Chinese looking father could have a Euro looking son (as Dambei Makiba and his daughter Hikaru Makiba). I like this, it is like in opera or theatre, where you can have a black man playing the king of Danemark.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 1, 2005 10:13:37 GMT -5
Geez, albino goats. ;D
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Post by Melnorme on Sept 1, 2005 10:18:47 GMT -5
Those 1577 drawings confirm what I suspected - they have the superficial Mongoloid characteristics but still have a Caucasoid look to them, the opposite of the Japanese drawing of Commodore Perry.
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Post by gelaye on Sept 1, 2005 10:59:22 GMT -5
can i also say if you see characters that are MEANT to be western caucasians in manga, they have large noses, narrow eyes and often wave hair with long faces....... and human2 - you dislike my posts??
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 1, 2005 11:01:50 GMT -5
Large noses, could be Iranians. ;D Narrow eyes must be Northern Euros.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 1, 2005 11:36:28 GMT -5
They look like the bimbo blond Bukake girls.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 1, 2005 12:02:25 GMT -5
Bukake is something nasty, right? human2: So you say that the trends in Japan ("fair skin is beautiful") are slowly changing? Do you think this is an influence by the West (bottle blonde tanned Baywatch babes and the like)?
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 1, 2005 12:12:33 GMT -5
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