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Post by subhuman on Jul 14, 2005 12:11:47 GMT -5
Let's face it. Most dodonians here who identify themselves as caucasoids consider people of sub-saharan origin genetically less intellegent than others. And there can probably be found statistics to support their views.
Personally, I'm not sure what to think about this statement. There seems to be always a hidden agenda behind every opinion. So, all I can say is that it's pretty impossible to be completely objective with these things.
However, I want to know your opinion. Are blacks clearly less intellegent than other races? And if so, is it because they have evolved in an environment that doesn't support the evolution of high intellegence? Or is it malnutrition? Perhaps caucasoids and mongoloids have a special gene that makes them superior in IQ? Perhaps sub-saharans have intermarried with chimpanzees? In other words, if "low sub-saharan IQ" is considered a accepted fact, what's the cause? Throw in your opinions..
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Post by s.f on Jul 14, 2005 12:18:43 GMT -5
I don't think negroids are less intelligent then other races. And people should realize Africa is the poorest continent on earth and people don't get much education there that's why African countries have such a low IQ on average.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jul 14, 2005 12:24:29 GMT -5
Well, I don't think black Africans have lower IQ's than most other people, but they do come from a part of the world that is quite harsh and unstable. If anything, I think any inherent deficiencies in intellectual or creative ability are either environmental or psychological, primarily the latter.
That's not to say change isn't possible or even inevitable for black Africans. They have gone through turbulent times, through exploitation, disenfranchisement (both by their own people and by slavers), and suddenly being thrown into the modern era, some chaos is to be expected.
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Post by Sharmaarkee on Jul 14, 2005 12:30:52 GMT -5
wHAT DO YOU MEAN BY IQ? IF THE WHITES HAVE HIGHER IQ Y DO A SMALL MINORITY OF JEWS RULE YOU WHY DO THEY DECIDE ON POLICIES THAT AFFECT YOU WHY ARE THEY THE CREME DELA CREME OF YOUR SOCIETY .JEWS BEING NATURALY DARKER THAN WHITE PEOPLE WOULD DISPROVE YOUR MENTALITY.
PSS ABOUT WHITES DO YOU MEAN SOUTHERN EUROS COZ THEY HAVE PLAYED APART IN THE WORLD CIVILIZATION.
OR DO YOU MEAN THE NORDIC WHOVE BEEN CAVE MEN(SINCE TIME IN MEMORIAL) JUST TILL RECENTLY WHEN THE JEWS MIGRATED TO THEIR REGIONS HAVE THEY BEEN RECOGNIZED.
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Post by nockwasright on Jul 14, 2005 12:34:16 GMT -5
IQ is a predictor of success in school. It's usefulness as a measure for intelligence is higly questionable, and the definition of intelligence is controversial.
A clue of some intelligence could be the ability of unlocking the caps.
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Post by murphee on Jul 14, 2005 12:56:17 GMT -5
Nature or nurture?
Today--Reuters
Los Angeles blacks still fare poorly, study shows
Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:37 AM GM
By Alexandria Sage
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Blacks in America's second-largest city fare the worst among all major races in education, health, economics, housing and criminal justice, according to a study released on Wednesday.
"The State of Black Los Angeles," prepared by the United Way and the Urban League of Los Angeles, said the promise of the American Dream was still out of reach for many blacks in the city.
"At the heart of this shortfall is a fundamental issue of equality -- not simply equality as a right but equality as a reality and practice," it said.
Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa was joined by religious and community leaders, including Police Chief William Bratton, at a downtown panel to voice concern at the sobering picture presented in the study.
The study found that nearly half of black L.A. high school students don't graduate within four years, that the median household income for blacks is more than $20,000 below that of white families and that the 14 percent black unemployment rate is more than double that for whites and Asians.
"I see it as a call to action. I see it as a challenge," said Villaraigosa, the city's first Latino mayor in more than 100 years. "Because a great city cannot be that great shining city with so many people left behind."
Blacks, who make up 10 percent of the population of Los Angeles County, scored the lowest on an "equality index," which measures discrepancies in conditions for individual races.
The county's population is about 9.8 million, of whom 3.8 million live in the City of Los Angeles, 2003 census figures show.
Measured against a benchmark of 1.00 for whites, blacks scored .69, as compared to .71 for Latinos and .98 for Asians. The only area in which blacks scored higher than all other races was in civic engagement, which includes voter participation, military service and English fluency.
Some panelists spoke of a sense of "deja vu" at the report's findings which come 40 years after the city's deadly 1965 Watts riots.
The report's statistics -- for example, that more than 75 percent of black fourth-graders cannot read proficiently, a number that increases to 83 percent by 11th grade -- "put a chill in your spine," Villaraigosa said.
"If we can't read or write, if we don't have the access to computers and textbooks, we won't be able to compete," he said.
Bratton, whose department has struggled to fend off criticism that it unfairly targets minorities, called improved public safety the catalyst that would spur change in other areas.
"You cannot educate your child if they live in fear in their schools and their streets," Bratton said. "You cannot have economic investment in neighborhoods where crime is out of control."
Half of all murder victims in the county are black, Bratton said, and 32 percent of all black males born in 2001 would end up in prison, a statistic he called "horrifying."
Other findings in the report include:
- Blacks have the highest rate of homelessness, representing more than 30 percent of the total homeless population.
- The average jail sentence for blacks for violent offenses is 46 months, compared to 13 months for whites.
- Blacks have the highest overall death rate, with deaths from homicide and HIV and AIDS more than three times higher than other groups.
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Post by jrj26 on Jul 14, 2005 23:43:09 GMT -5
if there is a genetic compenent of intelligence, then(in my limited point of view without much knowledge of genetics) I also think that this could be associated with environmental factors. Is it possible that environmental factors, diseases, etc., can cause genetic changes that can then be inherited? If this is possible, then this could explain the intelligence situation in Africa.
In many if not most cities, the general theme is that the urban black community, generally speaking, does not place as much emphasis on education as it does on other areas. There IS an emphasis on community involvement, rights, etc, however this needs to be coupled with a focus on academics. I think that the statistics are different when you look at suburbia. In my personal experience, my former high school was majority black. Stereotypically speaking, the school should've been crime ridden, dirty, etc., with sub standard academics and performance. However it was the opposite. It's a nationally recognized school of excellence, has many AP courses, and students reguarly go to top schools(i go to georgetown, over a dozen each year go to NYU, the salutatorian for '05 is going to harvard, etc.). Sure there are a few thug wannabes, but the culture, environment, etc. is different. I think that many people look at the urban environment and culture(s), and because it is usually predominantly black, and a large percentage of blacks live in cities, that this is proof of black failure, inferiority, etc. Look at statistics for suburbia, and this changes. Also, I've also noticed that a large number of Africans outperform blacks in America. This is seen mostly in relation to Nigerians, and there numbers at the "top" colleges. So, I think that a lot of this has to do with culture, which relates to environment.
Did any of that make sense? haha.
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Post by Requiem on Jul 15, 2005 18:08:48 GMT -5
Black kids who go to good suburban schools in the US do just as good as their White counterparts and a lot better than their urban poor black counterparts and are most likely to go to college. I also bet anything they score higher than poor white people as well.
The thing with Africa is simple, it is really hard to get a get a good score on an IQ test if you never even been to school!
Test black people in Europe who get to go to great schools, I bet you anything they will all score a lot higher.
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Post by humantag on Jul 15, 2005 18:46:49 GMT -5
Black kids who go to good suburban schools in the US do just as good as their White counterparts and a lot better than their urban poor black counterparts and are most likely to go to college. I also bet anything they score higher than poor white people as well. This simply isn't true. One of the most disturbing aspects of the well documented 'IQ gap' between blacks and other races is precisely the fact that it persists even when adjustments for socio-economic factors are taken into account. The thing with Africa is simple, it is really hard to get a get a good score on an IQ test if you never even been to school! Again, the statistics contradict your feel good assumption. Even well educated blacks score consistently worse on IQ tests than their non-black counterparts with comparable and even lower levels of education. Test black people in Europe who get to go to great schools, I bet you anything they will all score a lot higher. They have been tested - the disparity persists. There is a link to an interesting academic paper on this topic by posted here somewhere- perhaps by Dienekes? Not sure. Hopefully one day this 'IQ gap' can be credibly explained by something other than the idea that blacks are simply on average less intelligent than other races. Unfortunately, such an alternative explanation has yet to be found. Pretending it isn't an issue by knee-jerkedly attributing it to some vague, ubiquitous 'inequality' does nothing to shed light on the issue. A much more plausible argument against the idea that the IQ gap is a matter of 'racial inferiority' that I never hear is the fact that people identified as 'black' (in the U.S. at least) are a fairly diverse group genetically - many of whom are more 'white' than 'black'. Do light skinned blacks perform better than dark skinned blacks? Or do 'blacks' on average - regardless of admixture - perfom more or less the same? If it could be shown that the same IQ gap exists between 'whites' and 'blacks' even when the 'blacks' and 'whites' in question have about the same amount of black blood, it might go a long way towards challenging the "racial inferiority" interpretation of the data. Do Arabs or 'Latinos' with black admixture who regard themselves as 'white' do better than 'whites' with black admixture that regard themselves as 'black'? It'd be interesting to see the results of such a study... |
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Post by eufrenio on Jul 15, 2005 19:36:21 GMT -5
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Post by eufrenio on Jul 15, 2005 19:41:30 GMT -5
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Post by eufrenio on Jul 15, 2005 19:48:28 GMT -5
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Post by Wadaad on Jul 15, 2005 20:21:44 GMT -5
wHAT DO YOU MEAN BY IQ? IF THE WHITES HAVE HIGHER IQ Y DO A SMALL MINORITY OF JEWS RULE YOU WHY DO THEY DECIDE ON POLICIES THAT AFFECT YOU WHY ARE THEY THE CREME DELA CREME OF YOUR SOCIETY .JEWS BEING NATURALY DARKER THAN WHITE PEOPLE WOULD DISPROVE YOUR MENTALITY. PSS ABOUT WHITES DO YOU MEAN SOUTHERN EUROS COZ THEY HAVE PLAYED APART IN THE WORLD CIVILIZATION. OR DO YOU MEAN THE NORDIC WHOVE BEEN CAVE MEN(SINCE TIME IN MEMORIAL) JUST TILL RECENTLY WHEN THE JEWS MIGRATED TO THEIR REGIONS HAVE THEY BEEN RECOGNIZED. hehe waryee Khaldan whats up? This link is not dealing with African IQ per se, but it goes into detail and lists several reasons why there is a disparity between Black-White means personnelselection.com/Adimpact27.pdf |
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Post by Educate Me on Jul 15, 2005 20:33:51 GMT -5
Why dont they make this study in a mixed society brazil?
There the wealthy people are almost always white, I know Droop, but there is also plenty of poor white people who live in the same conditions of the black people. I think it would be a better comparison.
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Post by asdf on Jul 15, 2005 21:11:11 GMT -5
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