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Post by subhuman on Jul 18, 2005 15:22:13 GMT -5
Well, the statistics seem interesting. However, I haven't seen anybody give so much reasons to the problem of low African IQ. One point is though quite interesting. If it really is true that black children grow up faster than Asians and Europeans, this could have big impact on their learning. I've got the idea that the evolutionary reason why human childhood is so long is the fact that children need to use all their energy on learning instead of physical growth. On the other hand, if the average estimated lifetime in the population is very short, an earlier maturation is an evolutionary advantage. Perhaps the conditions in Africa have favored this kind of early maturation.
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Post by asdf on Jul 18, 2005 16:02:04 GMT -5
You didn't even go into how much they differ. The English don't score that much higher than the Scots, Welsh and Irish; whites don't score that much higher in the north than in the south, etc. That there are social factors doesn't mean race is not relevant, heck, responsible for a very large portion of difference in intelligence. Still you don't give me any convencive response. All you are talking about; is beliefs and ,more beliefs; the same beliefs, in the begining of the 20th century, that stated that Japanese and chinese were DUMB and genetically inferior. The same beliefs that affirmed 70 years ago; that asians were nothing more than, gardeners and domestics. Beliefs and "believe" are just DOXAS, not substantiated facts. In fact, truth does not exist, but at least, it contributes to get closer to it. And as, science for me; is higher than any form of beliefs, I have a faith, that intelligence; is matter of milieu, and not, genetics. As about Irish, scots, and what I talked about before, read these links, and the next time, don't say anything, without giving sources and proofs. do not also forget, that IQ does not mean intelligence, the higher your education is, the higher is your IQ. (for example, 10 years ago, my IQ was 130, the last time I took an IQ test, my score was 140) www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-inferiorIQ.htm Heh, that one's hillarious. www.vdare.com/sailer/brown_debate.htmAmong many ironies, The Economist falsely attributed this table to " IQ and the Wealth of Nations by Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen (2002)." That landmark book, with its fascinating table of average IQs for 81 countries, is about nations, not states. ----->Wikipedia (race and IQ) Gypsies are supposed to be white Czechoslovakian? No one is; that country doesn't exist anymore. The upper class is not the same race or ethnicity as the lower cast australoid-caucasoid and in some cases -mongoloid hybrids. (Jews is unspecific, and Ashkenazim are not the same ethnic group, and those two can't be called the same race)
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Post by mmmkay on Jul 18, 2005 22:36:26 GMT -5
LOL, if we did'nt have any people like you seizure who would I debate with? Bigots give spice to life ;D What stopped their progress in the first place? Thats your only evidence? "oh I see alot of chinese in my engineering classes so they must be naturally good at it" wtf? Seriously, that is mostly just stuff you've thrown togehther based upon the end result that you can see, rather than intelligently analayzing the situation from all angles, but no you are too lazy to do that, thats why you post sloppy theories and half-assed assumptions on message boards. You still tout this "blacks are genetically dumber" idea, have you completely ignored my previous post (with evidence) regarding this? Black females perform better than males (in many instances better than white males), if they have the same genes why should'nt they be scoring as low?
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Post by Yankel on Jul 19, 2005 0:34:34 GMT -5
Uh, yes, they are.
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Post by asdf on Jul 20, 2005 20:20:04 GMT -5
LOL, if we did'nt have any people like you seizure who would I debate with? Bigots give spice to life ;D So if I disagree with you I'm a bigot? Gee, that's nice. That's actually what bigotry is in case you want to look it up. This isn't relevant. WTH to you too. I wasn't posting that anecdotal stuff as evidence. I didn't think anyone would actually dispute it, but in case you didn't read my post on the first page, here's the link I gave: www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft2.htmNotice it doesn't say black females are performing better than white females. Black females to English males is not a valid comparison. How do black females compare to all other females? Probably on the lower end.
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Post by Rockstar135 on Jul 20, 2005 20:24:18 GMT -5
OMG! I'm genetically/intellectually inferior to other Dodonites! And worse, I wan't publicly-educated, I was educated by my own black mother!
*Goes into a corner and hides*
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Post by asdf on Jul 20, 2005 21:56:23 GMT -5
Ok, let's stop talking about populations, averages, stuff that has nothing to do with you as an individual person because you don't like it.
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Post by Rockstar135 on Jul 20, 2005 22:04:35 GMT -5
Ok, let's stop talking about populations, averages, stuff that has nothing to do with you as an individual person because you don't like it. *Yawns* You can't take a joke? Why would I personally care? I have no complaints with my station...Go on with your numbers... Anyway, nothing offends me. I peruse VNN.
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Post by captainusa1 on Jul 20, 2005 23:15:46 GMT -5
OMG! I'm genetically/intellectually inferior to other Dodonites! And worse, I wan't publicly-educated, I was educated by my own black mother! *Goes into a corner and hides* Inferior? Not according to your karma rating. ;-)
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Post by Rockstar135 on Jul 20, 2005 23:20:21 GMT -5
Inferior? Not according to your karma rating. ;-) Awww...thanks, but I bet now someone will bring it down...lol...
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Post by Melnorme on Jul 21, 2005 8:12:54 GMT -5
Let's talk policy : if racial differences in IQ are conclusively proven and become a publically acknowledged fact, what would/should the effect be on domestic policies of Western nations?
I think that many governments would actually do nothing, since they would be reluctant to act upon a 'mean-spirited truth', even if it is the truth.
I've thought about a pragmatic compromise, though. Racial minorities with lower IQs would give up race-based affirmative action in education ( university admissions, etc ), and in exchange, receive more affirmative action in hiring, for blue-collar jobs. There would be a victim, low-IQ blue collar white guys, but society as a whole would become less anti-intellectual.
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Post by CooCooCachoo on Jul 21, 2005 8:56:35 GMT -5
I.Q. is a predictor. So all of you who say low I.Q. is due to bad schooling can go brush your teeth with a loaded gun.
I don't know about Blacks having a lower I.Q., but I do know that there was this kid Jamal in my 1st grade class who always ate paste. The kid never stopped. He would come in early from recess and get it off the top shelf. When the teacher would reprimand him, he would turn away as if she couldn't see what he was doing, and continue to eat it.
...I'm not saying all Black kids are like Jamal. But I do think he significantly brought the average down for the entire nation.
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Post by nockwasright on Jul 21, 2005 11:45:05 GMT -5
I think we are quite overrating IQ in this thread.
A computer programmer may have a higher IQ level than Schopenhauer. IQ is the predictor of success in school, but success in school is not necessarily that crucial. It's better ot have an high IQ than a low one, that's sure, but what we call "intelligence" is only partially measured by IQ.
As for one ethnicity scoring lower than another, this is a problem only because we want to look at it as a problem. Our only problem should be our own QI.
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Post by Nist on Jul 21, 2005 22:24:08 GMT -5
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Post by captainusa1 on Jul 21, 2005 23:55:00 GMT -5
I don't know about the first link. It claims that Catholics score 15 points lower than Protestants in Northern Ireland. It also claims that they're members of the same ethnic group. That's not *totally* true as Catholics have more Irish (Celtic) ancestry while Protesants have more Lowland Scottish (part Germanic) ancestry.
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