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Post by hanan on Jun 15, 2005 22:45:06 GMT -5
Hanan, I agree with those statements 100%. You hit the nail on the head. Clear as water. gracias
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Post by mike2 on Jun 15, 2005 22:46:59 GMT -5
Excellent post, Drooper. It's the mark of a good debate if you can convince people of your good intentions.
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Post by jojohalo on Jun 16, 2005 16:15:33 GMT -5
Drooper, with respect, you are a very contradictory personality. Sometimes you are very insulting towards 'ethnic' ,'dark,' or short people. Sergio picked up on that. But then at other times you seem quite sympathetic towards those very same people. You have some racist hangups, but won't admit to them. When they are called to your attention you deny it and then you attempt to show how sympathetic you are (with many examples). I believe your sympathy is sincere because you think of yourself as a possible victim of racism (being that you are dark and latin according to Americans). But yet you still aren't that sympathetic because deep down you feel that you are the truest of Europeans and should be respected as such. I must say, you are very interesting indeed.
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Post by mike2 on Jun 16, 2005 16:29:30 GMT -5
Actually, I think Drooper is just taking up a natural reaction against false information. Human beings have a tendency to want to clear up erroneous ideas, even racial ones that don't add up to much in the end.
Jesse Jackson and I both speak English. Does that mean we are both Anglo-Saxon? Of course not. Same deal with "Hispanics." It's a linguistic grouping trying to pass itself off as a meta-ethnicity.
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Post by Educate Me on Jun 16, 2005 17:51:30 GMT -5
I am new to this board, I dont know the ethnic background of the people here. I drooper latin merican, italian american?
If you are te briton I guess that makes you anglo saxon right?
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Post by Educate Me on Jun 16, 2005 17:55:27 GMT -5
It is also a cultural group.
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Post by eufrenio on Jun 16, 2005 18:05:17 GMT -5
I am new to this board, I dont know the ethnic background of the people here. I drooper latin merican, italian american? If you are te briton I guess that makes you anglo saxon right? Drooper is half-Portuguese and half-Spanish. I believe he lives in the USA. As for Mike, he´s half Greek/half- German? Am I correct?
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Post by eufrenio on Jun 16, 2005 18:30:23 GMT -5
LOL! Actress Paz Vega (Seville):
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Post by eufrenio on Jun 16, 2005 18:54:48 GMT -5
People in Hollywood sure wish their maids would look like Paz Vega! LOL! With her parents: Another non-studio pic:
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Post by mike2 on Jun 16, 2005 19:13:23 GMT -5
Paz Vega is a white girl. If you are te briton I guess that makes you anglo saxon right? I am partially British. Even so, it would be silly to call Britain Anglo-Saxon territory since many of the people are descended of the indigenous dark-haired Paleoatlantids and of the rufous Brunns. The origin of the Keltic Nordic type is debatable. Drooper is half-Portuguese and half-Spanish. I believe he lives in the USA. As for Mike, he´s half Greek/half- German? Am I correct? Paternally, I'm full-blooded Greek. Maternally, I'm a mixture of British and German.
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Post by Toasty on Jun 16, 2005 22:06:23 GMT -5
Actually Droopy has said himself that he is a "quasi racist".
You actually think he's been thought of as an Hispanic (at least what the average American thinks)? I don't know, I don't even know what the guy looks like.
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Post by slick on Jun 16, 2005 22:14:11 GMT -5
I agree with jojohalo. What is a quasi racist?
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jun 16, 2005 23:00:21 GMT -5
Who knows what he means by that? On a scale from 0 to 10 with ten being KKK racism, he's 2? Maybe it is a joke. Someone mentioned that European caucasoid looking Mexicans don't want to think they are European. But why do they? Australians are as NW European as the natives of NW Europe and they definitely don't think of themselves as Europeans except when it is used in a racial sense as in caucasoid, but nothing more. The Aborigines call caucasoid Australians, Europeans. The inhabitants of SE and E Asia think of Australians as Europeans even though most of them are not indigenes of their countries like the Indonesians, Malays, Thai, and Southern Chinese. The Malays will go off their nuts if you told them their ancestors come from what is now Southern China. A lot of the terms used have minor indications of physical appearance and are mainly cultural, linguistic and historical. Anglo-Saxons don't exist anymore and haven't for hundreds of years, but the language derived from their languages do, and the present day cultures have evolved from them. English law is not like Napoleonic Law, it comes from the laws of the Saxons as altered by the Normans and Angevins. Racially, it just means a general NW appearance, and mostly a pinkish complexion. Look, I don't use Hispanic or Latino, as I don't like European terms applied to Colonials whatever there race. Go to Switzerland and find out how ethnic and racial terms are meaningless in a country with four ethnicies, three of which, the Italian, French and German, don't have much to do with Italians, French and German nationalities. Swiss German or Germans, there are dialects, are not really intelligible to Germans.
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Post by Toasty on Jun 16, 2005 23:14:28 GMT -5
Who knows what he means by that? On a scale from 0 to 10 with ten being KKK racism, he's 2? Maybe it is a joke. Someone mentioned that European caucasoid looking Mexicans don't want to think they are European. But why do they? Australians are as NW European as the natives of NW Europe and they definitely don't think of themselves as Europeans except when it is used in a racial sense as in caucasoid, but nothing more. The Aborigines call caucasoid Australians, Europeans. The inhabitants of SE and E Asia think of Australians as Europeans even though most of them are not indigenes of their countries like the Indonesians, Malays, Thai, and Southern Chinese. The Malays will go off their nuts if you told them their ancestors come from what is now Southern China. A lot of the terms used have minor indications of physical appearance and are mainly cultural, linguistic and historical. Anglo-Saxons don't exist anymore and haven't for hundreds of years, but the language derived from their languages do, and the present day cultures have evolved from them. English law is not like Napoleonic Law, it comes from the laws of the Saxons as altered by the Normans and Angevins. Racially, it just means a general NW appearance, and mostly a pinkish complexion. Look, I don't use Hispanic or Latino, as I don't like European terms applied to Colonials whatever there race. Go to Switzerland and find out how ethnic and racial terms are meaningless in a country with four ethnicies, three of which, the Italian, French and German, don't have much to do with Italians, French and German nationalities. Swiss German or Germans, there are dialects, are not really intelligible to Germans. Actually, someone mentioned that European caucasoid looking Mexicans want to think they are European. But, what does that mean really? To me it seems that they only "look" Europid, but actually aren't Europid at all. As if it's only a coincidence that they look caucasian. And why say that and not pred. caucasian, which is what some of them are. I don't really care. It's just my 2 cents.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jun 16, 2005 23:18:56 GMT -5
You guys crack me up! Yes, I jokingly described myself as "quasi-racist," quasi being the Latin for "almost". It was a self-deprecating way to admit that, as far as society goes, anyone with a fascination in anthropology and dna would be labeled a "racist" in today's terms. Of course, I'm not really a "racist" in any literal sense. But be honest: Everyone on this board would be called a "racist" by people who don't understand our love of history and interest in population-migrations. As to Eufrenio's question: My ethnicity has never been a secret on this board. My father is from Portugal and my mother is from a small town in Catalonia. [Her family produces "Torres Wine," in case you ever get a chance to drink some.] So I'm a mix of those two strains. The Portuguese side is the dark one. My Catalonian cousins are all fair. My family is a mix of the two--mom pink, dad olive; me olive, sister pink. I also have family scattered to the four corners of the Earth. Since the Spanish Civil War, tons of Spanish people fled to South America. As a result, I have cousins in Argentina, Chile, Cuba, Purto Rico--and my aunt married an upstanding Mexican. I've visited amost all of these places--which is why I discuss racial politics in both Europe AND South America. It's not "academic" to me. I have blood-ties to all of these countries. That's why it cracks me up when people accuse me of, say, looking down at Mexico. Every opinion I have on the place is from my Mexican uncle. [These are things that he's told me, in candor and honesty.]
P.S.--My mom's family [the Torreses] actually moved to Cuba in the 1820s. My great-great-great grandfather thought he could make his fortune there. But he returned to Spain after a few short years and started a business making wine that still exists today.
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